Mr. Liebeler.

This is before he went to New Orleans?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And they were packing to go to New Orleans?

Mr. Paine.

No, no; packing to come over to our house for dinner.

Mr. Liebeler.

I see.

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

This was the first time you met him?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

What did he say?

Mr. Paine.

And there he mentioned how he didn't have people at work, people who talked about this subject of politics and economics and he also mentioned with some bitterness how his employer made more money than he did and the things that his employer had that he did not have. It was the only time I observed personal animosity, and I thought to myself, he must be rather difficult, that animosity or resentment must show through to his employer.
This was just in what he said. It struck me that these things must happen. When he later lost his job, I don't know whether it was later or not but he may have lost the job already, I didn't realize it, I thought he was still employed there. These seemed to me adequate reasons, sub rosa reasons for his dismissal.

Mr. Liebeler.

You never had any indication from anyone that he felt the FBI was in any way responsible for his losing his job?

Mr. Paine.

He never mentioned the FBI to me. And I never talked with anyone else who knew him except Ruth. Ruth did, of course indicate, told me of his extreme allergy to the FBI.

Mr. Liebeler.

But she didn't indicate that he felt that they had caused him to lose jobs?

Mr. Paine.

I think she mentioned this, she asked me not to mention this to other people but I guess you are not just other people. She read this note which he had left on her desk, I had the impression it was a couple of days; actually it was only a day or so. He had written, typed it but had written a rough draft which he left on her desk; she gave the note, her copy of it, perhaps, she copied it for me to read. I didn't really absorb it, I did read it, and I did read he spoke of the notorious FBI.
Ruth cited the letter to me as an example of how he could lie. She hadn't been aware of his lying before. She thought his trip to Mexico, which he mentioned his trip to Mexico in his letter hadn't been true and it was a fabrication, but it was, we talked, therefore, a little bit about his---also, I think----

Mr. Liebeler.

His feeling about the FBI?

Mr. Paine.

We talked a little bit about his abuse of the FBI there. And also I think it was mentioned that, Ruth mentioned to me that, the FBI had been out once or twice or had reported this to me, and that Lee seemed to resent that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let's go back to this letter, when did Ruth first show you this letter, and I take it you are referring to a draft of a letter from Oswald to the Russian Embassy?

Mr. Paine.

I didn't know who it was written to.

Mr. Liebeler.

But the letter referred to the notorious FBI?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; I don't think it was the Russian Embassy. I thought it was a friend to whom he was speaking in a rather braggart way of what he had done. He had gone down to the Cuban Consulate in Mexico, and they had, I think this is the letter, I could be mixed up, and that they had not given him a visa--actually, I had made a mistake in the heading because I thought--it said, "Dear Sirs," but I though it said, "Dear Lisa." Ruth told me it had said, "Dear Sirs."

Mr. Liebeler.

This was in Russian or in English?

Mr. Paine.

She must have shown me the letter in his hand, therefore, yes. I thought it was "Dear Lisa," English.

Mr. Liebeler.

When did she show you this letter?

Mr. Paine.

This is a confusing matter, because I was reading some other magazine at the time, and she intruded this thing on my attention, and I didn't really shift attention too well.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was it before the assassination or afterwards?

Mr. Paine.

It was before, yes. No; afterwards, I would have paid close attention