Mr. Liebeler.

Have you discussed him with anybody else in the ACLU?

Mr. Paine.

I joined Frank to the ACLU now.

Mr. Liebeler.

You discussed him with Frank?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; that is Frank Krystinik.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you attempted to identify this third person?

Mr. Paine.

No; I never, I have not.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever know Oswald to give Marina any money during the time that Marina lived at your house?

Mr. Paine.

No; I did not.

Mr. Liebeler.

When Oswald stayed at your home in Irving on the weekends, did he eat all of his meals there?

Mr. Paine.

I came only for Friday's supper and would leave and would sometimes be there on Sunday. Therefore, I couldn't be--I was not in a position to say. I think he did.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know whether he ever made any contribution in respect to those meals?

Mr. Paine.

Oh, no, he didn't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he make any contribution to any of the other expenses of the household?

Mr. Paine.

No, he didn't. I for one didn't expect him to. I didn't--I would have been surprised had he done so.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know whether he packed lunch in the morning when he left for work and took it with him or ate breakfast there before he left?

Mr. Paine.

He would eat breakfast there. This again was just what Ruth has told me, he would eat a breakfast consisting of coffee and maybe a piece of toast. I forget what it is. I don't believe he packed a lunch.

Mr. Liebeler.

You do believe?

Mr. Paine.

I don't believe he did.

Mr. Liebeler.

You don't believe.

Mr. Paine.

I don't know of it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Oswald ever discuss finances with you or in your presence?

Mr. Paine.

Well, I raised the problem when he obtained the job at the Book Depository Building, I mentioned that one and a quarter, I wanted to confirm at one and a quarter, and I did somehow.

Mr. Liebeler.

Why did you want to confirm that?

Mr. Paine.

It seemed to me that is still a pretty slim pickings to live on, also I was concerned about how long the job might last, and I inquired, therefore, about the number of people working there and how come he was employed after all after the school year began so if he was employed then it was possible that it was a full year occupation. I would have normally expected the rush of employment to be prior to the school year. And then to lay off after the books had been sent. I was concerned in other words that he should be able to keep his job, but also I would have preferred had it been a little bit more money he would be a happier person.

Mr. Liebeler.

That later part is your own surmise?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; but it is my own experience.

Mr. Liebeler.

In terms of Oswald?

Mr. Paine.

He was pleased to get the job, and I avoided talking too directly about the possibility of his losing that job because I felt it was, he would be concerned about the same matter, and now perhaps I was projecting but I do remember not asking as many questions about that as were in my mind just because I didn't want to arouse the anxiety that he must feel in regard to the job.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he ever indicate to you that he felt that the FBI was responsible for his not being able to obtain a job?

Mr. Paine.

No; he didn't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he ever indicate that he thought the FBI was responsible for his losing a job?

Mr. Paine.

No; he never mentioned losing a job with me. I surmised from the first time I met him, he was at the Neely Street address, and Marina was packing, took about half an hour to leave and Marina was packing things for Junie. And so he and I sat on the sofa and talked.