Mr. Paine.

to it. Since recently, I have, Ruth has, figured out that it must have been, he must have started writing on Friday or something and she cleaned up or removed the desk, it was that time when we moved the furniture. It had been written just prior to that, and we did that on a Sunday night. Maybe she preserved his original draft, I don't remember what happened, because I would have guessed that in order to misread the "Dear Sirs" for "Dear Lisa," I would have seen it, I would have read it correctly in her hand.

Mr. Liebeler.

Recapitulate for me, if you can, the number of times and the dates on which you saw Oswald after he returned from New Orleans up until the time of the assassination. You said you saw him, I believe shortly after he returned from wherever he had been.

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And that was around October 4, was it not?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

The first part of October. When was the next time you saw him?

Mr. Paine.

I think I probably saw him on each weekend except the one preceding the assassination. There were at least one or two, I think there were two before he had a job and then he had a job and a birthday party.

Mr. Liebeler.

That would have been October 18, would it not, approximately, when he had a birthday party or represented to you that his birthday was October 18?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; he may have celebrated the next day but----

Mr. Liebeler.

And your recollection is that you saw him each weekend after that except for the weekend immediately prior to the assassination?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

The weekend of November 8, 9, and 10 was a long weekend, was it not?

Mr. Paine.

He was there then. I remember we didn't have a long weekend, Bell didn't. He had another day to sit in front of the TV.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was that the last weekend that you saw him then?

Mr. Paine.

If that is the one prior, two weekends, yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, starting at November 8, 9, and 10, which was the last time you saw him, consider when your wife showed you the draft of the letter that we spoke of just before. Would it have been that weekend or after that?

Mr. Paine.

Well, I suppose it would be after that. They weren't in the house when she showed it to me or at least he wasn't. I don't remember when he wrote that letter or when we moved the furniture.

Mr. Liebeler.

You don't remember whether you saw Oswald after you read the letter or not?

Mr. Paine.

That is a good question, I can see some point to it now. One would surmise that, and I would think it reasonable that I would have looked at him with somewhat different point of view after having read the letter, and I don't remember looking at him with that different point of view, so quite possibly I didn't see him again.

Mr. Liebeler.

So we would--the conclusion would be suggested that she showed you the letter sometime after November 8 or 9, 1963?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; yes, I would guess that she, as I say, I would come to a dinner when he was not there on either of the Tuesday or the Wednesday and that would have been a reasonable time that she would have shown me the letter.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have a discussion with her about this subject of his having gone to Mexico which was discussed in the letter, was it not?

Mr. Paine.

She thought it was a fabrication, a complete fabrication. And she did not discuss, she gave me the letter, and as I say I was reading some other magazine and I read the letter and went back to my magazine. How dense people can be. But anyway----

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she----

Mr. Paine.

So we did not talk about it until later, then she took the letter back and put it in an envelope or something, she didn't want me to see it. She was sort of irked that I didn't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Look at it when she wanted you to look at it?