Mr. Paine.

and things like that. I think she also gave her pocket money. It may have been five dollars a week or something like that. It could have been ten dollars a week. I doubt if it would be that much.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any knowledge of Oswald spending any money for bus fare from Dallas, between Dallas and Irving or anywhere else?

Mr. Paine.

He would come out and I suppose by bus to Irving. I do remember that he came out a couple of times, and then wanted somebody to pick him up there.

Mr. Liebeler.

At the bus station in Irving?

Mr. Paine.

At the bus station in Irving.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you say it was just twice that he did that?

Mr. Paine.

I think that is about all.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any idea what the bus fare from Dallas to Irving is?

Mr. Paine.

No; I don't have any idea.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know whether Oswald spent any money for telephone calls?

Mr. Paine.

I never saw Oswald spend any money.

Mr. Liebeler.

For anything, under any circumstances at any time?

Mr. Paine.

Yes. Of course, that shouldn't be you construe that as you please, but if you think it is penny-pinching it may be. But I saw him at home and not in any position to spend money. He didn't have any money jingling in his pockets that I recalled.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know whether Oswald owned any cameras?

Mr. Paine.

I wasn't aware of it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know whether he ever bought any records, musical records?

Mr. Paine.

Well, they made some records for us, I thought they were Marina's records. We played some records for them and they wanted to play some for us or something, so they were records that were Russian singing or something, I can't remember what it was. It was rather poor fidelity so I didn't enjoy listening to them.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you know whether Oswald received any periodicals or mail at your address in Irving?

Mr. Paine.

Yes. The Daily Worker, or it is not the Daily Worker now but the Worker, what is it called now?

Mr. Liebeler.

The Worker.

Mr. Paine.

Would come. Ruth said he received all his, The Militant also there. I don't remember, recall, seeing The Militant there but generally, I didn't see the mail very much. She would put my mail apart, I had half my mail or more than half my mail would come to that address, since I didn't feel the one at Grand Prairie was a permanent address, so I didn't see most of the mail. She would separate my mail into a separate pile and I would pick it up.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever have any discussion with Oswald about these periodicals?

Mr. Paine.

Yes. He said in regard to, I think, the Worker or at least it was the Worker he gave me to look at as the result of his conversation, he told me if you knew how to read the thing and read between the lines a little bit you could see what they wanted you to do.

Mr. Liebeler.

He said that?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

When did he say that?

Mr. Paine.

I think that was a week or two after he came, pretty soon after coming back. I talked to him rather less and less as the weeks rolled by.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ask him what he meant by that remark?

Mr. Paine.

Well, I certainly wish I had, no; I didn't. I took the issue he gave me just to make my eye go over it. I thought to myself instead here is a person who is pretty, well, out of it again if this is the way he gets his communications from headquarters.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell us everything that you can remember about that conversation.