Mr. Paine.

have used my automobile very well because I don't believe he knew where my second key was, and I would always have the key.

Mr. Liebeler.

What kind of an automobile do you own?

Mr. Paine.

It is a French Citroen.

Mr. Liebeler.

What model?

Mr. Paine.

1959; year 1959.

Mr. Liebeler.

Not a 2CV?

Mr. Paine.

No; it is an ID-19, I guess.

Mr. Liebeler.

Is that the only automobile that you own?

Mr. Paine.

While they were here I bought a second automobile; an Olds, '55 or '56 Oldsmobile, '56, I believe.

Mr. Liebeler.

When was this?

Mr. Paine.

During the time, sometime between September and November, I bought a secondhand '56 Oldsmobile.

Mr. Liebeler.

For your own personal use?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

So that you then had two cars?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And Ruth has a station wagon, doesn't she?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And that is her own car?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Is that the only automobile that she owns?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

What model is that?

Mr. Paine.

'55.

Mr. Liebeler.

Chevrolet station wagon?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know whether Oswald used that?

Mr. Paine.

Ruth took Oswald to practice driving in a parking lot.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she tell you about that?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

What did she tell you?

Mr. Paine.

I can't remember whether she has told me so much more since November 22 and I can't remember whether she may have said before that. She was telling me how he was persistent, diligent in trying to learn, not very particularly skilled, and apparently quite pleased at the whole process. He was grateful to her and one of the nicest kinds of communication she had with him.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she say anything about his ability to drive a car?

Mr. Paine.

She thought it was pretty crude. He was having trouble operating the clutch, and over-controlling the stick, or the steering wheel. Those are my words. She didn't use "over-controlling" but put it in some other way.

Mr. Liebeler.

The station wagon has a straight transmission.

Mr. Paine.

No; it is an automatic transmission, power brakes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was he practicing on the station wagon or----

Mr. Paine.

Yes; over-controlling the stick, I was thinking of an airplane.

Mr. Liebeler.

I thought you mentioned the clutch.

Mr. Paine.

Maybe it was the brake; did I mention the clutch?

Mr. Liebeler.

At any event she wasn't overly impressed with his ability to manipulate the controls?

Mr. Paine.

She was impressed with how much a person has to learn when they learn to drive a car.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever lend Oswald any money?

Mr. Paine.

No; I didn't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever give him any?

Mr. Paine.

No; I didn't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know whether your wife did?

Mr. Paine.

I don't believe she gave Lee any money. She gave Marina pocket money.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any idea of how much she gave Marina?

Mr. Paine.

Generally she would pay for things that Marina needed, medicines