Mr. Paine.

so he was quite eager to meet both Ruth and Marina and called me to ask how and when and what not. So, he may have called me more than once on that subject.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any idea why he called you at work? In order to contact these women?

Mr. Paine.

It seemed very appropriate. Maybe Clark, Clark, of course, sees him quite frequently, and maybe Clark told him that Marina was living with us. I cannot--I could be clued in. I remember at the time there was a reason for it. I mean it seemed appropriate, it wasn't out of the blue, but I can't--unless it was that I had been talking about Marina with Clark and then Clark told it to him.

Mr. Liebeler.

You never have met Colonel Wilmeth?

Mr. Paine.

I don't believe so.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Ruth ever tell you that Colonel Wilmeth had come to call on her and Marina?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; that call or one or two calls he made to the lab to me was asking me if I would make it possible for him to meet them and so I told Ruth, and either Ruth called or I told her that he was, he would like to come on the weekend or something or he would call, I forget, but anyway I was a go-between to help in a polite way to meet Ruth.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Ruth tell you about the meeting when he came?

Mr. Paine.

She did; yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell us about it.

Mr. Paine.

I think she said she had a good time, I don't remember.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember any of the details of what she said?

Mr. Paine.

I don't remember the details; no.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know a gentleman by the name of Clifton M. Shasteen?

Mr. Paine.

No; I don't.

Mr. Liebeler.

He is a barber in Irving, Tex.

Mr. Paine.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you ordinarily get your hair cut in Irving?

Mr. Paine.

I used to get my hair cut, and I don't think that is the name of the person or where it used to be done but for the year that I was living in Grand Prairie, I found a barber I liked better over there and I had it done over there all the time, almost all the time. I guess I haven't in months. I had another barber down in Irving and got a bad haircut.

Mr. Liebeler.

How much does a haircut cost in Irving?

Mr. Paine.

I think more frequently it is a dollar fifty; when I get it over in Grand Prairie it is a dollar and a quarter.

Mr. Liebeler.

Is there a standard price so far as you know for barber shops in Irving?

Mr. Paine.

I would suppose a dollar and fifty was.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever know Oswald to associate with any young boys? There has been a report that he was seen in the presence of, in the company of a 14-year-old boy. Do you know of anyone fitting that description?

Mr. Paine.

I don't know of anyone with whom he associated. I didn't--I was aware of not asking him how he spent his free time.

Mr. Liebeler.

There has also been a report from Mr. Leonard Edwin Hutchison who apparently runs Hutch's Supermarket in Irving that Oswald came in there on a certain day and asked to cash a two-party check for $189. Have you ever heard anything about that?

Mr. Paine.

No; I haven't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know Mr. Hutchison?

Mr. Paine.

No; I don't believe I did.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know, are you familiar with Hutch's Market, Supermarket?

Mr. Paine.

I am trying to think of the name of the market that is on Storey Road, not Storey, Shady Lane--Shady Grove Road or Lane, that is, if he isn't on that address then I don't know where it is.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever take Oswald to any supermarket?

Mr. Paine.

I didn't; no.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he ever use your automobile?

Mr. Paine.

Not to my knowledge. Presumably he couldn't drive. He couldn't