Mr. Paine.

I don't believe so. I think, I heard that he had been shot, I listened over some of the crowd's shoulders, a little cluster of people listening to a transistor radio thereby knowing it was no joke, so we went back to the lab where there is a radio. So I didn't hear it until I got back to the lab. As soon as I got back to the lab it was not very long after that that it was mentioned, that the Texas School Book Depository Building was mentioned, and then I mentioned to Frank Krystinik that is where Lee worked, and, then in the course of the next half hour Frank and I were discussing whether to report to the FBI that Lee worked there, and----

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell me what you said and what he said.

Mr. Paine.

He was urging me to do it, and or asking whether I didn't think we should do it, and I was torn but I came up with the decision no, the FBI already knows he works there. Everybody will be jumping on him because he is a black sheep, and I didn't want to join the hysterical mob in his harassment. So I decided I wouldn't call, I didn't say that I couldn't but I said I wasn't going to call the FBI on it.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you told him that?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

What did he say?

Mr. Paine.

Well, I think he accepted it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did it occur to you at that time that Oswald had in fact had anything to do with the assassination?

Mr. Paine.

Yes, of course, it did, I am sure it made by heart leap to hear that building mentioned. But I thought--I didn't see how it helped the causes that he presumably was concerned about, so I thought it unlikely on that account alone.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you think he was capable of doing that at that time?

Mr. Paine.

We heard or somewhere I read or heard a report, and an eye witness, presumably eye witness, report saying the man who was shooting the President took his good old time or, in other words, fired with deliberateness. This seemed in character.

Mr. Liebeler.

With Oswald?

Mr. Paine.

With Oswald, yes. I don't think he was a person with compassion, or--the only reason I didn't think he was because I didn't see how it fitted in with his philosophy or how it was going to forward his causes, not because it seemed--not because it was not possible to his nature or his character.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you call Ruth after you learned of the assassination and prior to the time that you heard Oswald----

Mr. Paine.

Yes, I did call her.

Mr. Liebeler.

What did you say and what did she say?

Mr. Paine.

We said very little. That must have been, I guess I called her immediately getting back to the lab, so she would be watching and listening and getting clued in to the news, start watching the news. That must have also been before the Texas Book Depository Building was mentioned because I would have mentioned that I didn't. I just--we said almost nothing except----

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you talk to her after you learned that the TSBD was involved, but before you learned that Oswald was suspected of being involved?

Mr. Paine.

No, I don't believe I called her again.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you subsequently learn that Oswald had been arrested?

Mr. Paine.

Yes. As soon as I heard his name mentioned, then I went home. His name, of course, was mentioned not in connection with the Texas Book Depository Building but simply as a person caught in the theatre. But that was enough connection for me.

Mr. Liebeler.

Because you knew he did work at the TSBD?

Mr. Paine.

Yes, of course, Frank and I were having this heart-wrenching discussion about the right thing to do. And justification for my action was based on the thought that he was probably not the one and, therefore, it was a cruelty to be adding to the harassment that he would inevitably encounter because anyone who knew him for very long surely knew his views. That is he would, he would be a black sheep in any crowd of Americans.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let's go back to the question of this paper. Do you have any