Mr. Liebeler.

At Irving?

Mr. Paine.

At Irving, and then they came again early next morning and I was there with the family in the morning so I must have been there at night.

Mr. Liebeler.

And the Life reporters came on Saturday morning again?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

The 23d. What happened, how long did they stay and what happened after they left?

Mr. Paine.

Well, they left quite early, I think, it might have been 9 o'clock, relatively speaking, 9 or 9:30, talking to Marina Oswald.

Mr. Liebeler.

What did you do after they left?

Mr. Paine.

I don't remember. I think I went over to the Irving apartment, I mean the Grand Prairie apartment, at some time during the day, I don't remember what for. I had in mind, there was something I was trying to do, I can't remember now what it was, I mean something I would have been doing on the weekend. So, between, let's say, they left at 9:30, and about 5 o'clock, I don't remember what happened.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you go to your place of business at any time, to the Bell Helicopter plant on that day?

Mr. Paine.

Well, my apartment was close by it. I think somebody has asked me this question before and I think at the time I said no, and I don't remember now, that is my closest memory to that occasion.

Mr. Liebeler.

Your recollection is that you did not go to the helicopter plant?

Mr. Paine.

My recollection now is now fuzzier than ever but I recall previously I thought about it and I said, no.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you go to the police station in Dallas on Saturday?

Mr. Paine.

Yes. I recall the FBI came, not the FBI, the Dallas police came and took me in their car. We went back via Grand Prairie which was out of the way and the sun was about setting so that was about 5:30.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you come back to Irving after you left the Dallas Police Department?

Mr. Paine.

Yes, probably 8 or 9 at night.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you stay at Irving that evening?

Mr. Paine.

I think I probably stayed Saturday evening and went back, spent Sunday evening in Grand Prairie so I could get to work easily the next morning.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember talking to your wife on the telephone on Saturday, November 23?

Mr. Paine.

I may have called her from the police station or something like that.

Mr. Liebeler.

I am going to unwrap the package with the rifle which was wrapped in the blanket, and I want to ask you if you had ever seen this rifle, Commission Exhibit 139, before?

Mr. Paine.

Not to my--the first time I saw a rifle, I didn't realize that he had a rifle. I thought, I knew he liked rifles because he spoke fondly of them in the Soviet Union although he regretted that he couldn't own a rifle, and I supposed that he still didn't have one so I didn't see a rifle until the night of the 22d when Marina was shown a rifle in an adjoining cubicle glass between us.

Mr. Liebeler.

You observed through the glass a rifle being shown to Marina Oswald?

Mr. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you hear any of the questions being asked her at that time?

Mr. Paine.

No; I couldn't hear.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did your wife see this rifle being shown to Marina Oswald?

Mr. Paine.

She was in the room with her.

Mr. Liebeler.

She was in the room with Marina Oswald?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, after Marina Oswald was shown this rifle, did your wife tell you anything about the questions that were asked of Marina Oswald at that time?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; she said Marina couldn't, wasn't able to, identify the rifle. I can't remember now whether she said she knew it was a rifle because she had looked in and seen the butt end of a rifle but didn't--I think this is what she said at the time but----