Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. She dislikes it. I like to, certainly, and I don't mind if people tease me. I never get mad you know. It is perfectly all right if somebody teases me.

Mr. Jenner.

Are you a member of a group in Dallas known as the Bohemian Club?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Oh, yes, yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us about the Bohemian Club. Did you organize it?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; Mr. Ballen and I organized it together and the occasion arose one day when Mr. Ballen and I were driving back from a well, an oil well we were driving far away from Dallas. It was a long drive and we were discussing our lives in Dallas and a little bit exchange about the sort of boring people we have around in Dallas you know, nothing but Texans. And then by God, says Ballen, "We should do something about it. We should organize--there are some interesting people in Dallas. We should organize a group for free discussion. And also we should put--we all like to eat well. Let's combine it with good eating." And that is how the idea originated.

Mr. Jenner.

And you called it what?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. We called it the Bohemian Club, a little bit based on the Bohemian Club in San Francisco. And we invited--we decided to invite people who are sort of unusual and in different professions, and that no business should be discussed during the meetings, that the member whose turn it is to make a speech should also provide the dinner, and either cook it himself or his wife would cook it or he should invite all of us to a restaurant of his choice. This lasted I guess for a year or 2 years you know. We had quite a few meetings, very interesting, controversial meetings, because the main point was that you had to express yourself freely on the subject which is very important to you. Then followed a discussion of all the other members.

Mr. Jenner.

On the subject.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. On the subject.

Mr. Jenner.

Was it intended that the discussions be provocative or presented in a provocative fashion?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. As much as possible, and we had some real lulus there, some very provocative discussions.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there an occasion when you had this club at your home or restaurant that you supplied the meal?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; one day I think I made one particular speech that I made on the subject of Vlacsov's Army which are the White Russians and refugees who decided to fight with the Germans against Soviet Russia. They were helped by General Vlacsov who was a Soviet General, and then later on became Commander, was made prisoner by the Germans and then decided to fight the Communists, because obviously he was dissatisfied with the Stalinist regime, and it was quite a large group. I never met any people of that type, but Mr. Voshinin provided me the material on that subject, and I made this little speech and I think everybody was very satisfied with the speech except Lev Aronson who is a Jewish friend, a Jewish friend of mine who was in the German concentration camp and he obviously had met some of those Vlacsov soldiers, and anyway he criticized me quite a lot on that speech.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he criticize you during the course of the meeting?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. During the course of the meal?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes, yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you accuse anybody of being a Nazi?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Did he accuse?

Mr. Jenner.

Did you?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Did I accuse anybody?

Mr. Jenner.

In the way of provoking the discussion?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Of provoking the discussion? I don't remember that. Possibly I had, but I don't remember that. Actually he accused me more or less of being pro-Nazi by giving that speech you see. He accused me of being, which I am not you know, but that expresses my opinion of the difficulty that sometimes the refugees are in when their opinions, political opinions, differ with their own country you see. Those are the people who are

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