this is another reason why Oswald and Bouhe fought so bitterly, because Bouhe is a segregationist. He is an old-guard segregationist that he learned from the Texans you know that the colored man is just a flunky. And I had quite a few fights with him about that, with Bouhe. And possibly Iris animosity, Oswald's animosity to Bouhe and vice versa were based on that, you see, although I am not so sure about it. But I assumed that that was one of the reasons.
And I think that was a very sincere attitude on his behalf, very sincere.

Mr. Jenner.

I would like to return to this gun, this weapon incident, the Walker incident.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there ever an occasion after this time, when you and Mrs. De Mohrenschildt came to see the Oswalds, that as soon as you opened the door, you said, "Lee, how is it possible that you missed?"
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Never. I don't recall that incident.

Mr. Jenner.

You have now given me your full recollection of that entire rifle incident?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Weapon incident, and what you said to him?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes, yes, yes, yes; that is right. How could I have--my recollections are vague, of course, but how could I have said that when I didn't know that he had a gun you see. I was standing there and then Jeanne told us or Marina, you know, the incident just as I have described it, that here is a gun, you see. I remember very distinctly saying, "Did you take the potshot at General Walker?"
The same meaning you know, "Did you miss him," about the same meaning? I didn't want him to shoot Walker. I don't go to that extent you see.

Mr. Jenner.

You didn't want him to shoot anybody?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Anybody. I didn't want him to shoot anybody. But if somebody has a gun with a telescopic lens you see, and knowing that he hates the man, it is a logical assumption you see.

Mr. Jenner.

You knew at that time that he had a definite bitterness for General Walker?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I definitely knew that, either from some conversations we had on General Walker, you know--this was the period of General Walker's, you know, big showoff, you know.

Mr. Jenner.

He was quite militant wasn't he.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. He was, yes----

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. De Mohrenschildt, up to that moment, is it your testimony that you never knew and had no inkling whatsoever, that the Oswalds had a rifle or other weapon in their home?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Absolutely positive that personally I didn't know a damn thing about it, positive, neither did my wife.

Mr. Jenner.

And as far as you know your wife didn't either?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you see the weapon?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I did not see the weapon.

Mr. Jenner.

I won't show it to you then. Was there any discussion about the weapon thereafter?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No, no discussion. That ended the conversation, the remark about Walker, ended the conversation. There was a silence after that, and we changed the subject and left very soon afterwards.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you have a feeling that he was uncomfortable?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Very, very uncomfortable, but I still did not believe that he did it, you see. It was frankly a stupid joke on my part. As the time goes by it shows that sometimes it is not so stupid. But you know my wife will tell you probably that I have a very stupid, bad sense of humor, she says, you know.

Mr. Jenner.

Some people say you have a sadistic sense of humor.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Possibly. She says so also, my wife usually says that I like to tease people.

Mr. Jenner.

And you do, don't you?

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