Mr. Liebeler.

testimony that he perhaps felt disenchanted with the Soviet Union because he was not given the kind of job that he expected to be given when he got there.

Mr. Gregory.

Yes; I remember something now. He expected--I think he and I got along well because he considered me fairly smart because I was interested in the Soviet matters, and therefore our discussions were quite a bit about academic matters, and he pretended, or possibly was, fairly well educated. He seemed to read quite a bit. But he expected to go over there and get into a Russian university. He made an application for the Peace University or one of these universities for the foreign students, I think, and he was quite disenchanted when he was not accepted into this. That was his first idea, I believe, to go over there and go to school. Then after he was not accepted, they sent him somewhere to work in a little factory, and I guess he didn't quite like this.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you that one of the reasons he had gone to Russia was to enter college or university there?

Mr. Gregory.

I don't know as that was one of his reasons for going, but that seemed to me, according to him, the first thing he did was make this application.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he ever mention to you anything about an application to the Albert Schweitzer College in Switzerland? Did he indicate to you in any other way that he was dissatisfied with the treatment he had received by Russian authorities?

Mr. Gregory.

Well, there was. He said when he wanted to return, it was touch and go whether Marina would get to come back with him, and he felt that she had been discriminated against, because he told about meetings which they had held in the factory or place where Marina worked denouncing her as a traitor, et cetera, because she wanted to leave the country. And I think this went on for weeks and weeks where they put pressure on her not to go with him, and he expressed amazement for the fact that they did allow her to return with him.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember any more of the details about what he said about that?

Mr. Gregory.

About these meetings?

Mr. Liebeler.

About the meetings and his expression of amazement as to why they did let Marina come back.

Mr. Gregory.

I think he said something about it was just an accident where maybe 1 out of 10 just happens to get through where they allow it. He seemed to think there was no special reason that they let her go. It was more or less an accident.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he say that to you?

Mr. Gregory.

Or an exception, yes, as I remember.

Mr. Liebeler.

So that he indicated to you his surprise that Marina had been permitted to leave the Soviet Union with him?

Mr. Gregory.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

He explained it basically in terms of an accident or something that he couldn't readily explain?

Mr. Gregory.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he offer as a suggestion as to why they had permitted Marina to come back anything to the effect that it was a time of reduced tension between the Soviet Union and the United States?

Mr. Gregory.

Not that I can remember.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you remember anything else that he said about the subject of Marina being able to come back with him?

Mr. Gregory.

No. Marina spoke of it as being a very horrible time with all her friends putting pressure on her, and it was very unpleasant for her.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she indicate that she had had any nervous difficulties as a result of this?

Mr. Gregory.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you learn at any .time from either of the Oswalds that Marina had gone to the hospital as the result of the pressure that was put upon her by her friends?

Mr. Gregory.

No; I did not.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she mention to you, or either of them mention to you, that Marina went to Kharkov on a vacation at one time?