Mr. Mamantov.

In the meantime mother-in-law turned around and started to look for me and I told her to pass by, don't look, and try to get away, and, I said, "How are you doing?" She said, "Now is becoming quieter. I am very tired."
That is the extent of our conversation, so we went into basement of Sears store and when we finished our business, we were going up again--excuse me--by myself. Mother-in-law was waiting for me somewhere--I had to go and check on my credit, so after going into the Sears' office, coming back on the escalator, here was the group again, and I tried to be polite and let her and her escort get on the escalator, and I stepped on and I told to one, who later I found out was Martin, and I didn't know at that time who was Martin, and I told him, I said, "If she needs help in translating the language, please call on me." And so and so, and that's the time I saw her.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that the last time you have seen her?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know a gentleman by the name of George De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

You do--when did you first meet him?

Mr. Mamantov.

I don't remember exactly, but let me go back--are you through with Mrs. Paine and Mrs. Oswald?

Mr. Jenner.

I'm through with her only if you have told us everything about this particular occasion.

Mr. Mamantov.

One occasion they asked Mrs. Paine, and who was also present and gave us testimony, they asked her if she knew if he had a gun.

Mr. Jenner.

If Mrs. Paine knew?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct--it's important to you to know this, please?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; it is.

Mr. Mamantov.

And she said, "No, she didn't." Why didn't she know that Marina had her belongings in her garage, and she said, "Yes, I knew," and "How didn't you know that she had a gun," and she said, "Because I didn't go through her belongings. I mean, it isn't my business to check on what she had there." Now, they asked her also, knowing that she is a--what is the religious denomination in Pennsylvania?

Mr. Jenner.

Quaker.

Mr. Mamantov.

Quaker. Would you allow her to have the gun, knowing that you are Quaker? She said again, "It belongs to her, and it isn't for me to say," and this is the extent I remember statements on Mrs. Paine's part.

Mr. Jenner.

She wasn't asked either about what had occurred the previous evening; is that correct?

Mr. Mamantov.

I don't remember.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Mamantov.

You told me to say only what I know--I know this.

Mr. Jenner.

I want you to state only what you recall, sir.

Mr. Mamantov.

I don't remember---this is overlapping two occasions--whether that was that evening, if you will show me the statement that was written will elaborate in details on it.

Mr. Jenner.

Off the record.
(Discussion between Counsel Jenner and the witness, Mamantov, off the record.)

Mr. Jenner.

Back on the record. Are you acquainted with a man by the name of George De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Mamantov.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

When did you first become acquainted with him?

Mr. Mamantov.

If I remember right, in the early part of 1956.

Mr. Jenner.

You were then a resident of Dallas?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

And will you describe George De Mohrenschildt as to his physical characteristics first?

Mr. Mamantov.

A tall, handsome man, well built, very talkative and loud in society, likes to tell one company jokes---one sex jokes.

Mr. Jenner.

He's a hail fellow, well-met type?

Mr. Mamantov.

Right.