Mr. Jenner.

Garrulous, talkative?

Mr. Mamantov.

Very.

Mr. Jenner.

Expansive type?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

What color is his hair?

Mr. Mamantov.

Brunette with quite a few grey hairs at that time when I met him, and appealed to ladies and used to take advantage of that.

Mr. Jenner.

Sort of a ladies' man?

Mr. Mamantov.

Sort of a ladies' man, and at that time was married, twice for sure, and maybe more, and shortly after that had a--a divorce was pending.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you become acquainted with his then wife?

Mr. Mamantov.

No, sir; I am acquainted of his girl friend of that general area, who is now his wife.

Mr. Jenner.

And what was her name?

Mr. Mamantov.

I don't remember

Mr. Jenner.

Was she a native born American?

Mr. Mamantov.

Zhana, I think, probably in English would be Jane, and to spell Zhana in English translation is Z-h-a-n-a [spelling]. This was the way she was called in the Russian society.

Mr. Jenner.

And translation of that would be Jane in English, you think?

Mr. Mamantov.

I would say so--also of Russian.

Mr. Jenner.

I was about to ask you--she was of Russian derivation?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

She was born in Russia?

Mr. Mamantov.

That, I don't know--I don't know her, as well as I know George.

Mr. Jenner.

She was not an American born?

Mr. Mamantov.

I don't think so, but I don't know for sure. I'll put it this way. She speaks too good Russian to be an American born.

Mr. Jenner.

What about De Mohrenschildt in that respect?

Mr. Mamantov.

He speaks perfect Russian.

Mr. Jenner.

Is he a native-born American?

Mr. Mamantov.

No, sir; I don't think so, because he was educated in Leige, Belgium--well, he finished here--I know for sure if we meet again, I can bring you more details from our geological directories, all this information, and if I remember right, shortly we met him and Zhana together and we had service in our church, which was very small--actually was just a regular residence.

Mr. Jenner.

You told us earlier in the course of our visiting that you participated in an effort to organize a church here in Dallas?

Mr. Mamantov.

In Dallas.

Mr. Jenner.

In which you anticipated people of Russian derivation would be interested?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

And did that church have a name?

Mr. Mamantov.

Saint Nicholas Eastern Orthodox Church.

Mr. Jenner.

Eastern Orthodox Church?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct, and there I saw him and her, I'm talking about Zhana, very improperly dressed for a church service. If I remember right, either both of them or she came in shorts toward the end of the service, which shocked all my family. I mean--just to describe a man this way----

Mr. Jenner.

You mean this is part of his personality?

Mr. Mamantov.

Right; and every place we met him he was talking to ladies elder than he, in a way normally a well brought up person wouldn't do it.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, what I am trying to have you do is tell us of your acquaintance with George De Mohrenschildt, and avoiding speculation to the extent you can--and the part he played in your life. I am getting at the Russian emigre group here in Dallas.

Mr. Mamantov.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, had you known him prior to the time you met him, as you have described?

Mr. Mamantov.

No---no, no; I haven't.

Mr. Jenner.

Or known of him?