Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mr. Voshinin.

But, of course, he didn't see it and he was very enthusiastic and--about mountains and so on. I tried to persuade him they were there before, you know, that they were wonderful before--and that Communists did not build them-- but he would somehow always, was always enthusiastic about that.

Mr. Jenner.

About Yugoslavia?

Mr. Voshinin.

About Yugoslavia and the Yugoslavia regime.

Mr. Jenner.

And its regime as well?

Mr. Voshinin.

Its regime as well. That's true.
About China, he said he doesn't know anything; he'll let his wife talk.
So, anyhow, these people are, of course, leftist people.

Mr. Jenner.

The De Mohrenschildts are leftists?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yeah. But she much more than him. Because he was, on the other hand, boasting, you know, that he never voted for a Democrat.

Mr. Jenner.

He had never voted for a Democrat?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yeah. He was always an Eisenhower man, a Republican--and they argued between themselves the whole time.

Mr. Jenner.

That is Mr. and Mrs. De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Voshinin.

Oh, yes. And the way they argued on politic is among them-selves--because she was somehow bitterly left, and he sometimes tried to, you know, get her be a little more objective.

Mr. Jenner.

Induce her to be a little more objective?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yeah. But she was always bitterly to the left.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever meet either Lee or Marina Oswald?

Mr. Voshinin.

No, sir; thank God!

Mr. Jenner.

Did a time come when you heard about Lee or Marina Oswald?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us the circumstances.

Mr. Voshinin.

I read in the newspaper, Dallas Herald, about them.

Mr. Jenner.

When?

Mr. Voshinin.

Oh, when they came to this country. There was a short article about an American defector to the Communists, that he finally came back with a Russian wife.

Mr. Jenner.

That was in June of 1962--just to orient you. You saw that item in the newspaper?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Was it a subject of discussion in the community among the people you've told us about?

Mr. Voshinin.

No; not in the beginning. Except that we heard---we visited Mr. and Mrs. Clark.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that Mr. and Mrs. Max Clark?

Mr. Voshinin.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

An attorney in Fort Worth?

Mr. Voshinin.

In Fort Worth. And she is of Russian descent, as you know; and they told us that they met this couple which came from Soviet Russia and they didn't like them. And they said he was very unpleasant and bitter fellow--and they wouldn't like to see him again--something like that. So, we decided already there that we wouldn't like to meet them either, you know--and especially, you know you don't like any kind of defector, you know, or any kind of unpleasant, "bummish" people, you know. That's a Dallas expression. That's polite for bum--as he was described to us. He---Oswald.
So, later, we heard that Mr. Bouhe, of course, in lack of other prospects for help, started helping the Oswald family. But as far as our relations with Bouhe nowadays, already for many years, are just very, very occasional; we had no direct contact with him except we really need something, you know, an address or some information of that kind. So, Bouhe wouldn't bring them to us. He knows that--better than bringing to us anybody.
But, as I understand, the De Mohrenschildts met with the Oswalds and the De Mohrenschildts told us that there are two poor, very poor and young people here, Mr. and Mrs. Oswald, and they need help and she has a toothache and they are bringing her to the dentist, and so on--they don't have a penny and