Mr. Voshinin.

nobody gives them a job, and things like that. And "would you like to meet them?"
Well, after reading, you know, what we read and after bearing from Clarks, who these people are, I say, "No, George; I don't like to meet him." And my wife said, "Oh, no; we don't like to meet with that kind of people."
So, I said that very insistently--so the De Mohrenschildts knew better than acquaint us. So, never we met them. Of course, it could have happened, you know, if we would have just dropped in sometime. There was always a possibility of that kind. But, thank God----

Mr. Jenner.

But it never happened?

Mr. Voshinin.

It never happened. So, we always were hearing about them from De Mohrenschildts and other people but we never met them actually.

Mr. Jenner.

You had the impression, did you not--or did you--that the De Mohrenschildts saw the Oswalds frequently and were attempting to assist them?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yes; he was--only one time he was very bitter about Oswald when he beat up his wife.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us about that.

Mr. Voshinin.

Well, once we saw De Mohrenschildt and his wife and he said, "Well, he doesn't behave like he should. What does he think he is, beating his wife?" But Mrs. De Mohrenschildt said, "Well, don't just judge people without knowing what's behind them." She said, "You always, George, you jump to conclusions. We don't know what happened."
I understand that she liked Lee much more than he did.

Mr. Jenner.

That Mrs. De Mohrenschildt liked Lee much more than George did?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.
This fellow De Mohrenschildt, was he a type of person to provoke arguments?

Mr. Voshinin.

Oh, yes: he liked that. Yes; sure.

Mr. Jenner.

Describe him physically. Is he a handsome man? A big man? Athletic?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yes; he is a big, athletic man, a permanent tennis. player--always played tennis and liked all kinds of sports, you know; and be would go to the ice arena there in the Fair Park, you know. And he devoted always a lot of time to sports----

Mr. Jenner.

And was Mrs. De Mohrenschildt-----

Mr. Voshinin.

And she tried to do it, too.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Voshinin.

What else can I tell you?
Well, I know that he----the way he talks, you know, he talks for and against anything. You know, probably, about his famous lecture in the Bohemian Club?

Mr. Jenner.

I'll get that in a minute. Did you say that he was argumentatively inclined so he would take the opposite side of any argument?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yeah, he was usually taking the opposite side of whatever anybody would say.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; and was he provocative in his argumentation?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yes; and I think he enjoyed it.

Mr. Jenner.

He was extreme in his argumentation?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yeah; that was his famous lecture, of course, which was some kind of a thing which was talked very much in Dallas about when he made a lecture in the Bohemian Club.
The Bohemian Club is a group of about 30 people Dallasites---who like to argue. And he was the soul of the whole thing. And you know probably who is in there. It's Sam Ballen, and L-e-v A-r-o-n-s-o-n [spelling], Bill Hudson--I don't know, a lot of other people I have never met.

Mr. Jenner.

Were you a member of the Bohemian Club?

Mr. Voshinin.

No; I was not. But I was invited by George to go to the Bohemian Club. He will give a historical lecture.

Mr. Jenner.

You were present on that occasion?

Mr. Voshinin.

I was present on that occasion-----
And George discussed the question, you know, about the Vlassov army. That