Mr. Voshinin.

and Soviet security---and it was one moment he was televised---you know, when he was televised---she just jumped out of the crowd through the security men, you know, and said, "Hello, hello, Mr. Mikoyan. What are you doing?"
And she said, "He was terribly embarrassed and afraid perhaps I'll kill him."
But, so, he said, "Who are you?"
And she said, "I'm a Russian living in America."
And he asked, "What you want?"
And she said then the security agent came and asked her to leave and she left.
So, she says that's all that it was--she said.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Voshinin.

Because, you know, I wanted to make sure of what the thing is about.

Mr. Jenner.

You wanted to know?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yeah. I wanted to know from her because if she would go, you know, make some deals with Mikoyan, then I wouldn't like to talk with her at all.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mr. Voshinin.

But a joke well De Mohrenschildt and his wife--they are peculiar people, always doing something which nobody else does.

Mr. Jenner.

Were they unconventional people?

Mr. Voshinin.

They are the most unconventional people I ever have seen.

Mr. Jenner.

Are they unconventional in dress as well as in habits and things they do?

Mr. Voshinin.

Oh, yes; oh, yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us a little about the unconventionality of dress.

Mr. Voshinin.

Well, for example, she always goes around in trousers, a very tight trouser, with some kind of a tight bosom top, you know, trying to imitate, you know, 15-year teenager girls, you know. And he goes out very often without a tie or open breast--completely open breast. And he may drop in somebody's party in this state and without shoes, you know. He may do things like that. Another time, you may see him perfectly dressed.

Mr. Jenner.

He's unpredictable?

Mr. Voshinin.

He is absolutely unpredictable and I think even he knows he's unpredictable, because I understand he even had a psychiatrist to whom he went. My wife told me about that.

Mr. Jenner.

From all this, do you have an impression of the De Mohrenschildts--either one of them---as to their possible connection with any Communist or agencies, Party, or what not? Or do you think they are just extraordinarily unconventional? In other words, do you think it's deeper than the lack of conventionality?

Mr. Voshinin.

It may be; it may not be. I'm not--you know, now all of us are looking back and trying to talk it over and find one way or the other. This is a thing which, you know, is discussed at all times.

Mr. Jenner.

You're rationalizing at the moment?

Mr. Voshinin.

We are rationalizing--all of us--at that moment. Of course, we do not have any proof whatever one way or the other. I can tell you what she told us.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Voshinin.

She told us that her first husband was a former Communist.

Mr. Jenner.

Her first husband was the----

Mr. Voshinin.

Bogoiavlensky.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes, Who is now in a mental institution in California?

Mr. Voshinin.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

And that he was a Communist?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yes; in his young days.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, when you say "Communist"--an active member of the Communist Party?

Mr. Voshinin.

I think of the Communist Youth Organization. Because it was not in Soviet Russia; it was in China.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.