Mr. Voshinin.

wife. And she liked that, of course. And it was few more words written about how wonderful she was--so she told--showed it to everybody. Well, that's only human--"They say I'm a wonderful woman!"

Mr. Jenner.

These two newspaper accounts were shown to you by the De Mohrenschildts?

Mr. Voshinin.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

While they were here in Dallas before they left for Haiti?

Mr. Voshinin.

No; they were in Haiti before they finally left there. It was on a short trip to sign the contract.

Mr. Jenner.

They took at least one or more short trips to Haiti----

Mr. Voshinin.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Until they had these contracts signed?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yes----

Mr. Jenner.

And then they left permanently for 2 years?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yeah.

Mr. Jenner.

And that was in the spring of 1963, that they left?

Mr. Voshinin.

Uh-huh.

Mr. Jenner.

In that interim period preceding their leaving is when you saw the newspaper account----

Mr. Voshinin.

Yeah.

Mr. Jenner.

Printed in the Haiti paper?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yeah--in French.

Mr. Jenner.

In French?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yeah.

Mr. Jenner.

Which you and your wife, and others in this community we've been talking about, saw?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Voshinin.

Well--after they left, that's it.

Mr. Jenner.

That's it. All right.

Mr. Voshinin.

And since then, we have received, I think, a short card from them and the Christmas greeting--that was all.

Mr. Jenner.

That's about all?

Mr. Voshinin.

That's about all.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. Now, when they made the trip from the United States-Mexican border to Panama, was there anything said to you by them, or was it the reputation in the area, about something about their meeting Mikoyan when they were on that trip?

Mr. Voshinin.

Oh, this was before that trip.

Mr. Jenner.

It was? Tell us about that, please.

Mr. Voshinin.

Well, they made a trip before that trip by foot--they made a trip to Mexico City and back, just a short trip.

Mr. Jenner.

That was by more conventional means of transportation?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yes; yes. That was either by car or by plane. I don't know. I think they mostly traveled by car.
I know that they went to New York and they came back from New York and then went to Mexico City and then came back to Dallas.
And we heard--I don't know from whom we heard--that they met Mikoyan. I imagine we heard that from the Ballens. I think--I imagine so. But then I asked her about that, because I didn't like it, you know.

Mr. Jenner.

You didn't like the fact that they had met Mikoyan?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yeah. I wouldn't meet Mikoyan--being a top Communist--Mr. Mikoyan is a top Communist and a butcher of the Stalin times. So, whatever he talks now, I wouldn't meet him anyhow.

Mr. Jenner.

In other words, you wouldn't have anything to do with Mikoyan?

Mr. Voshinin.

No, sir; so, I asked her what is the whole story about? And she told me that it was just meant as a joke namely that at that time there was a Soviet exhibition of some kind----

Mr. Jenner.

In Mexico City?

Mr. Voshinin.

In Mexico City. And that's why Mikoyan was present there. And one day--and she said Mikoyan was always guarded by Mexican security