Mr. Ely.

modestly not referring to his degree of intelligence, but in reference to his character concerning his intelligence.

Mr. Ely.

Do you remember a man named Delgado?

Mr. Donovan.

I certainly do--quite well. Delgado was on my crew. He was one of the boys that used to speak with the Mexican ham operators to ask them to leave the air when we were talking to aircraft. And Delgado had a command of Mexican more than Spanish. Delgado was a very dependable boy.

Mr. Ely.

Do you think he would be able to help us concerning Oswald?

Mr. Donovan.

He could tell you much more about Oswald's personal life than I can, because he lived in the same barracks area with him; Delgado played on the football team. He many times served on the same crew with Oswald.

Mr. Ely.

Do you remember a man named Murray?

Mr. Donovan.

Yes, Murray was a clerk. He had a radar specialization number, but we used him as a clerk. And, as I recall, he wanted to go back to medical school. I think he was from the South somewhere, I believe. Very efficient, very intelligent, very competent, capable man.

Mr. Ely.

Do you recall whether he knew Oswald well, or would it be fair to say that all the men on the crew would know him?

Mr. Donovan.

Well, Murray I don't think you would say was on the crew so much. Murray, because of his administrative ability, worked more in the office. Murray was married. And that puts him in a little different light, too. I think he was very happily married. At the end of the day he went home whereas Oswald stayed in the barracks area.

Mr. Ely.

Do you remember a man named Powers?

Mr. Donovan.

The name rings a bell, but I don't really remember him.

Mr. Ely.

Osborne?

Mr. Donovan.

Yes.

Mr. Ely.

Do you recall whether Osborne was an acquaintance of Oswald's?

Mr. Donovan.

Yes. Osborne I knew quite well. He played football with us for some time. He must have known him. I don't know if he actually lived in the same barracks. He knew him. I don't know how well he knew him.

Mr. Ely.

Now, you have mentioned Captain Trail to us, and also Sergeant Brown.

Mr. Donovan.

Captain Trail was Lieutenant Trail when I knew him. I think he is now Captain Trail.

Mr. Ely.

Yes. Can you think of any other names that neither you nor I have already mentioned?

Mr. Donovan.

Yes; another fellow that I am sure knew him was a fellow named Elmer Ellsworth Randolph. And he is now a salesman for Brock Candy Co., somewhere in the Chicago area.
Another fellow that probably knows him is now on active duty--Fred Walker. He is a captain. I believe Walker knew him.
Captain Block, Robert Block, was the operations officer at that time. I don't know if he would remember Oswald or not.

Mr. Ely.

Do you recall whether Oswald ever went to night clubs? Bars?

Mr. Donovan.

I think he used to go down to the enlisted men's club to drink beer. I recall going down there one night to talk to some boys on a disturbance and I vaguely remember him being there, but I would not swear to that.

Mr. Ely.

Would you have any personal knowledge of whether he attended offpost bars or night clubs?

Mr. Donovan.

No, I would not.

Mr. Ely.

Did he drink more than the average marine, the same amount, less?

Mr. Donovan.

I believed not. However, after the assassination of President Kennedy, I talked to Lieutenant Trail on the phone and Trail told me that he had been mixed up in some drinking bouts in Japan.

Mr. Ely.

But from your own----

Mr. Donovan.

From my own personal knowledge, I do not know that he drank to excess.

Mr. Ely.

But he did drink some?

Mr. Donovan.

I don't ever recall seeing him drink. But as I recall the conversation, I believe he did. But I don't know that for a fact.