Mr. Ely.

Did you ever know or hear of his being in contact with the Cuban consulate, either in person or by mail?

Mr. Donovan.

I never heard of that.

Mr. Ely.

Do you remember whether----

Mr. Donovan.

Are you talking about then, or now?

Mr. Ely.

I am talking about then, right.
Do you recall whether he made any trips, when he had time off?

Mr. Donovan.

Yes; I think he took a couple of trips down to Tijuana, but I don't think those were for reasons of studying international economies, although they might well have been.

Mr. Ely.

Did he ever tell you what he did in Tijuana?

Mr. Donovan.

Never, and I never inquired.

Mr. Ely.

Do you know whether he took any trips to Los Angeles?

Mr. Donovan.

I don't know it, but I am sure he did, because it was common for all those boys to go in and out of Los Angeles or Hollywood, or up to Disneyland--whether they wanted to go up for a beer or a date or something.

Mr. Ely.

Did you notice that he either took more trips than the average marine, or that he took fewer trips?

Mr. Donovan.

I did not recognize his itinerary as being anything out of the ordinary in that respect.

Mr. Ely.

Do you remember his receiving any visitors while he was at Santa Ana?

Mr. Donovan.

I do not recall his receiving any visitors.

Mr. Ely.

Does the name Lieutenant Cupenak mean anything to you?

Mr. Donovan.

Means absolutely nothing to me.

Mr. Ely.

Cupenak does not even sound like any name that means anything to you?

Mr. Donovan.

Yes, I knew a Lieutenant John Cuaka. C-u-a-k-a. That spelling is strictly phonetic.

Mr. Ely.

Was he at Santa Ana at that time?

Mr. Donovan.

I do not believe he was. I knew him in the Philippines and in Japan. He was a radar maintenance officer that generally served with a GCA, standing for Ground Control Approach unit. But Cupenak doesn't ring a bell at all.

Mr. Ely.

Finally, Mr. Donovan, I would like to get your opinion on which of the men who were at. Santa Ana at the time that both you and Oswald were there would be most helpful to us in reconstructing the personality of Oswald. I will mention the names that I have to you, and see whether you think----

Mr. Donovan.

You mean which in the plural or singular? You want me to say which would be most----

Mr. Ely.

I will read the names to you, and you can comment on them individually.
Do you remember a man named Thornley?

Mr. Donovan.

I don't recall the name at all.

Mr. Ely.

All right.
How about a man named Lewis?

Mr. Donovan.

Don't recall the name at all.

Mr. Ely.

Botelho?

Mr. Donovan.

Yes, Botelho was a man in our squadron. I cannot recall his face. But I do recall the man being in our squadron. And he went by the nickname, normally enough, of Bo.

Mr. Ely.

Do you remember whether or not he knew Oswald well?

Mr. Donovan.

No, I do not.

Mr. Ely.

Do you remember a man named Call?

Mr. Donovan.

I certainly do. He is from Allentown, Pa. I tried to look him up after my discharge. I was passing through his town. He was a corporal, later sergeant, I believe, buck sergeant.

Mr. Ely.

Do you recall whether he knew Oswald?

Mr. Donovan.

He must have. Call was another boy I played chess with.

Mr. Ely.

Would you characterize Call as an intellectual?
Mr. DONOVAN, I would characterize Call as being modestly intelligent--