Mr. Donovan.

I do not recall that he did.

Mr. Ely.

Do you recall any interest on Oswald's part in music?

Mr. Donovan.

No; I do not.

Mr. Ely.

Fine. I am going to run down a list of short questions like that and the answer to many of them may be simply that you don't remember. These are things that have been suggested to us.
Do you recall whether or not he played chess?

Mr. Donovan.

Yes; I do recall. I have played chess with him some nights. And, as a matter of fact, he was a pretty good chess player. I won the base championship that year in chess. I know that on occasion he beat me. That was not a very big base. But he and I were comparable players. I think I beat him more times than I lost to him.

Mr. Ely.

Did he ever have occasion to discuss with you his religious beliefs?

Mr. Donovan.

I don't recall that he ever expressed any belief in God.

Mr. Ely.

Do you recall that he----

Mr. Donovan.

I don't recall that he ever expressed any denial of God.

Mr. Ely.

Never mentioned the subject at all?

Mr. Donovan.

If he did, I don't recall it.

Mr. Ely.

Do you recall his getting into any fights while he and you were at Santa Ana?

Mr. Donovan.

I do not recall his getting into any fights.

Mr. Ely.

I believe you mentioned earlier that he did not seem to you particularly interested in girls.
Was this just because he was interested in other things, or do you have any reason to believe that there was anything abnormal about his desires?

Mr. Donovan.

I have no reason to suspect that he was homosexual, and in that squadron at that time one fellow was discharged from the service for being homosexual. He was in no way tied in with it that I know of. His lack of interest in girls may be only my belief, because as an officer I cannot have occasion to know him socially, but in our conversations he never was particularly Interested in talking about them.

Mr. Ely.

Do you know whether he smoked?

Mr. Donovan.

I don't recall.

Mr. Ely.

Would you say that he had a good sense of humor?

Mr. Donovan.

If my sense of humor is good, he did not.

Mr. Ely.

Did he attempt to be funny?

Mr. Donovan.

He attempted it at times.

Mr. Ely.

And, in your opinion, failed?

Mr. Donovan.

And in my opinion he was a failure in that respect.

Mr. Ely.

You have mentioned that he read a Russian newspaper. Do you remember any other possessions or habits or affectations which would suggest an interest in the Soviet Union?

Mr. Donovan.

No, I do not.
However, I do recall that in college we had some monumentally boring textbooks to read concerning GATT, et cetera--at least at the time they were monumentally boring. And on occasion he would bring up one of these books--I don't recall which one but say, "Are you familiar with this?" And it was my good fortune to have studied it. And he would ask about something. And in some respects he would ask you about a term he did not know. But he never would ask you about a concept, except in an effort to get you to discuss it or argue it. But he would ask you what some word meant in economics. He was interested in international economics.

Mr. Ely.

Could you state for the record what GATT stands for?

Mr. Donovan.

General Agreement on Trade and Tariff.

Mr. Ely.

Do you recall his having any nicknames?

Mr. Donovan.

Yes.

Mr. Ely.

What were they?

Mr. Donovan.

Ozzie.

Mr. Ely.

Anything else?

Mr. Donovan.

Not that I recall.

Mr. Ely.

Did most people call him Ozzie?

Mr. Donovan.

Or Oz.