Mr. Jenner.

Why, were you curious?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes; and well, it was also on my way home, going that way. The fight traveled my route home.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, what happened as this fight progressed down the street?

Mr. Voebel.

Well, I think Oswald was getting the best of John, and the little brother sticking by his brother, stepped in too, and then it was two against one, so with that Oswald just seemed to give one good punch to the little brother's jaw, and his mouth started bleeding.

Mr. Jenner.

Whose mouth?

Mr. Voebel.

Mike Neumeyer.

Mr. Jenner.

The little boy?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes, sir. Mike's mouth started bleeding, and when that happened, the whole sympathy of the crowd turned against Oswald for some reason, which I didn't understand, because it was two against one, and Oswald had a right to defend himself. In a way, I felt that this boy got what he deserved, and in fact, later on I found out that this boy that got his mouth cut had been in the habit of biting his lip. Oswald might have hit him on the shoulder or something, and the boy might have hit his lip, and it might have looked like Oswald hit him in the mouth, but anyway, somebody else came out and ran everybody off then, and the whole sympathy of the crowd was against Lee at that time because he had punched little Mike in the mouth and made his mouth bleed. I don't remember anything that happened after that, but I think I just went on home and everybody went their way, and then the next day or a couple of days later we were coming out of school in the evening, and Oswald I think, was a little in front of me and I was a couple of paces behind him, and I was talking with some other people, and I didn't actually see what happened because it all happened so quick.
Some big guy, probably from a high school--he looked like a tremendous football player--punched Lee right square in the mouth, and without him really knowing or seeing really who did it. I don't know who he was, and he ran off. That's when we ran after Lee to see if we could help him.

Mr. Jenner.

He just swung one lick and ran?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes; that's what they call passing the post. He passed the post on him.

Mr. Jenner.

Passed the post, what's that?

Mr. Voebel.

That's when somebody walks up to you and punches you. That's what's called punching the post, and someone passed the post on Lee at that time.

Mr. Jenner.

You think that might have happened because of the squabble he had with the two Neumeyer boys a day or two before?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes; I think that was what brought it all about. I think this was sort of a revenge thing on the part of the Neumeyer boys, so that's when I felt sympathy toward Lee for something like this happening, and a couple of other boys and I--I don't remember who they were, but they brought him back in the restroom and tried to fix him up, and that's when our friendship, or semi-friendship, you might say, began. We weren't really buddy-buddy, but it was just a friendship, I would say.

Mr. Jenner.

But you do remember that you attempted to help him when he was struck in the mouth on that occasion; is that right?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes; I think he even lost a tooth from that. I think he was cut on the lip, and a tooth was knocked out.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, you had a mild friendship with him from that point on, would you say?

Mr. Voebel.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell me about that. Did you get together occasionally and share interests, and what were his interests?

Mr. Voebel.

I don't remember exactly what his interests were. I never even discussed that, that I know of. I was taking music uptown--I told the investigator that I was taking clarinet lessons at the time, but actually I was taking piano lessons, so that part was a mistake, but I did play both of them, but at that time I was taking piano lessons, and sometimes I would stop off