Mr. Voebel.

at Lee's, and we would play darts and pool. Lee's the one who taught me to play pool. In fact, he invited me to come and play pool with him. He lived over the top of the pool hall.

Mr. Jenner.

And did you accept his invitation?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes; that's when we played darts.

Mr. Jenner.

You played darts and you shot pool also; is that right?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Where was that?

Mr. Voebel.

On Exchange Alley.

Mr. Jenner.

Exchange Alley?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes; or Exchange Place, whatever you call it.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you find him adept in playing pool?

Mr. Voebel.

You see, I had never played before and he showed me the fundamentals of the game, and after a couple of games I started beating him, and he would say, "Beginner's luck," so I don't think he was that good, because I am really not that good at playing pool. I mean, I don't think he was a great pool player.

Mr. Jenner.

But he showed an interest in the game and some adaption to the game at the time he was teaching you; is that right?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes; he liked it.

Mr. Jenner.

He liked to play pool?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes; he seemed to like it.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever meet his mother?

Mr. Voebel.

I think I met her one time, and for some reason I had a picture in my mind which was different from when I saw her in the paper after all of this happened. I didn't recognize her. She was a lot thinner, and her hair wasn't as gray, as I recall it, when I met her. Of course, this was about 8 years ago, but I can remember she had a black dress on, and she was sitting down smoking a cigarette; now, maybe she wasn't smoking, but this is a picture that comes to my mind as I recall that.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you smoke?

Mr. Voebel.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Did Lee smoke?

Mr. Voebel.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you drink?

Mr. Voebel.

Well, I don't, really.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you drink occasionally?

Mr. Voebel.

If it's in a party, or to be sociable I do, but I am not a drinker.

Mr. Jenner.

How about Lee, was he a drinker?

Mr. Voebel.

Well, you see, we were only at the age of about fourteen or fifteen, and smoking and drinking just wasn't of interest to a lot of people our age at that time. Kids did it, but I had no reason for drinking at the time, because I mean, I was just 14 years old, and I think the legal age here is 18, so that didn't actually enter my mind.
There was another thing why I sort of formed a friendship with Lee, and that was that most of the people that went to our school used to smoke, which I thought was a bum type nature, and Lee wasn't one of those, so he fitted in with my character, so to speak, a little bit more than the others.

Mr. Jenner.

All right; those are the things I am interested in, what you think of Lee's habits and personality and so forth, from the time you knew him, and don't you worry about whether it's important or not. That's my problem.

Mr. Voebel.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

I'm trying to get a picture of this boy as he became a man, and that includes what he was doing and thinking when he was 14 or 15 years old, and as far as you are concerned, during the time you were sociable with him and particularly what your reaction to him was. People change, of course.

Mr. Voebel.

Right. Now, I want to make one thing clear. I liked Lee. I felt that we had a lot in common at that time. Now, if I met Lee Oswald, say a year ago, I am not saying that I would still like him, but the things I remember about Lee when we were going to school together caused me to have this sort of friendship for him, and I think in a way I understood him better than