Mr. Liebeler.

With McBride. Did become closely acquainted with McBride and become a friend of his after that?

Mr. Wulf.

Oh, yes. I still, up until about 9 months ago kept in contact with him, and I still know of his whereabouts, and when he comes to the city I still see him.

Mr. Liebeler.

McBride at that time was working at Pfisterer's Dental Laboratory? Is that right?

Mr. Wulf.

Yes, sir. I believe he was a delivery boy or a runner. I don't know the exact title of his position.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you ever spoken with McBride about Lee Oswald?

Mr. Wulf.

Only at the time that--two occasions or possibly three---I think it was two occasions that I met Oswald, and I got some of Oswald's beliefs, and I told--McBride had always told me that he he wanted to get into the military service as a career, especially rocket engineering and rocketry--like we all were nuts on rocketry at the time and I told him, I said, "This boy Oswald, if you associated with him, could be construed as a security risk, and especially if you want to get into a job position where the information you know could be of a security nature or of a type that could be of a security risk nature."

Mr. Liebeler.

You told that to McBride some time back in 1955? Is that correct?

Mr. Wulf.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

What led you to make that statement to McBride?

Mr. Wulf.

I made that statement to McBride after my second meeting with Oswald when we got into a discussion--I being a history major and always been interested in history, some way or another we got around to communism. I think Oswald brought it up, because he was reading some of my books in my library, and he started expounding the Communist doctrine and saying that he was highly interested in communism, that communism was the only way life for the worker, et cetera, and then came out with the statement that he was looking for a Communist cell in town to join but he couldn't find any. He was a little dismayed at this, and he said that he couldn't find any that would show any interest in him as a Communist, and subsequently, after this conversation, my father came in and we were kind of arguing back and forth about the situation, and my father came in the room, heard what we were arguing on communism, and that this boy was loud-mouthed, boisterous, and my father asked him to leave the house and politely put him out of the house, and that is the last I have seen or spoken with Oswald.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now you indicated that your argument was rather loud and boisterous?

Mr. Wulf.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Oswald generally impress you as a loud or boisterous person?

Mr. Wulf.

Well, he impressed me as a boy who could get violent over communism, who, if you did not agree with his belief, he would argue with you violently over it. This, as you know, was the period right before he moved I believe, to Dallas. I did hear that he had moved to Dallas. I got that from McBride. And he struck me as a very boisterous boy and very determined his way about communism.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he strike you as boisterous in any other respect, or strong-headed about other things?

Mr. Wulf.

Generally a strongheaded boy that knew his own mind, thought he knew his own mind, and would do his own will. He wanted his way, other words.

Mr. Liebeler.

Then there never was any question of physical----

Mr. Wulf.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Contact over this thing?

Mr. Wulf.

No, no.

Mr. Liebeler.

It was just a strongly presented argument?

Mr. Wulf.

No. My father just took him by the arm, and when he started hollering about communism and all, and my father had gone through Communist affairs in Germany in the 1920's, and did not agree with him violently and he asked him to leave the house.