Mrs. Murret.

went to school, you know, to school in that neighborhood. I mean they weren't confined or shut in, and they seemed to have a good program of discipline. Even though they could go out and play in the immediate area, they would come in when the bell rang for supper, but I mean they were not closed in or kept locked up or anything. She also contributed to that home, I think. I don't think they would keep those boys there free.

Mr. Jenner.

You're right. In the meantime she was working; is that right?

Mrs. Murret.

What was that?

Mr. Jenner.

She was working?

Mrs. Murret.

She was working; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

In some department store or something like that here in New Orleans?

Mrs. Murret.

She at one time, but I don't know whether this was the time, ,but she worked at a hosiery shop on Canal Street. It might have been one of these Jean's--what they call Jean's Hosiery Shop over there on Canal Street. In fact, she was manager of that store at the time, as I recall, this hosiery store where she worked. I don't know what happened after she left that place. That was the time she married Ekdahl, in between there, and she left New Orleans and went to Texas.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know how long she had known Lee Oswald--that is, the father of Lee Harvey Oswald--before they were married?

Mrs. Murret.

Well, John Edward was 2 years old when she married him, so I figured she must have known him about a year or more. Myself, I knew him, because he collected at my house, but I don't know whether she knew him at that time or not.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know whether she knew him before she and her husband, Edward John Pic, separated?

Mrs. Murret.

I doubt it.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know whether she knew him during the period of the separation and before the divorce?

Mrs. Murret.

That must have been it. She must have known him during that time.

Mr. Jenner.

Give me your reaction to Mr. Oswald a little more, if you will. What kind of man was he?

Mrs. Murret.

Well, he was a very outward man, a man that smiled a lot, I might say. He smiled a lot, and he seemed aggressive.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you say he was energetic?

Mrs. Murret.

Oh, yes; very much. He was a good worker for Metropolitan, one of their top salesmen.

Mr. Jenner.

And he was an outgoing person, you say?

Mrs. Murret.

He seemed to be.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you call him an extrovert?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes; of course, I don't know what happened at home. I can only tell you from what I noticed when I saw him, you know, but he seemed to be very aggressive and energetic, and they seemed to be getting along all right, so far as I could tell.
Mr. JENNER. During that period of time of her marriage to Lee Oswald, did you have much contact with your sister Marguerite?
Mrs. MURRET. No; not very much. Like I said, I had five children myself, and we didn't have a car; so we stayed at home a lot. Mr. Murret is a man who don't care to visit relatives too much, and we didn't visit them. They came over when they would be out riding around; in other words, they might stop by or something like that, but we didn't do much visiting.

Mr. Jenner.

Your husband's given name is Charles F.; is that right?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes, sir; they call him "Dutz."

Mr. Jenner.

That's his nickname?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that D-u-t-z?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes; and they put it in the telephone book that way, because he was in the fight game years ago. He managed some fighters, and they have a lot of contact with sportswriters, and they knew him by the name of "Dutz,"