Mr. Hawkins.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

A uniformed patrolman?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes, sir; he is a three-wheel officer. We went to the library and this turned out to be an employee of the library who had heard of the news and was apparently running in the library to tell the other employees there.
We then, after this checked out, we then continued circling in the area around 10th and Patton and Marsalis and Jefferson.
We then heard on the police radio that a suspicious person was at the Texas Theatre, and at this time we proceeded to the theatre.

Mr. Ball.

Where did you park?

Mr. Hawkins.

I parked my squad car in the alley at the rear of the theatre.

Mr. Ball.

Then, what did you do?

Mr. Hawkins.

Officer--I believe Officer McDonald was at the back door at the time and Officer Hutson and Captain Westbrook and Officer Walker and myself went in the rear door, all went to the rear door, and at this time we saw a white male there and began talking to him and he identified himself as being the manager of a shoe store next door and that he was the person who had noted the suspicious acting on the suspect, and he at that time was brought into the rear of the theatre and on the stage and he pointed the person out sitting about three or four rows from the back of the theatre on the right hand or the south side.

Mr. Ball.

That would be near the right aisle as you face the screen?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes, sir; near the right aisle as you face the screen about four rows from the rear of the theatre.

Mr. Ball.

And how many seats over from the right aisle?

Mr. Hawkins.

I would say probably three or four--I don't remember exactly.

Mr. Ball.

Now, at that time you were standing behind the screen, were you?

Mr. Hawkins.

No; we had walked out onto the stage itself and could see the people sitting in the show--the house lights had been turned on--the show was still going on, but we did walk out onto the stage.

Mr. Ball.

And did you later learn that the man's name was Brewer?

Mr. Hawkins.

The man whom I had been talking to?

Mr. Ball.

Yes; the shoe salesman.

Mr. Hawkins.

I don't remember what his name is, but I think he did identify himself and we did have his name.

Mr. Ball.

Were you armed?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes, sir; I was.

Mr. Ball.

With what?

Mr. Hawkins.

I had my Service .38 revolver.

Mr. Ball.

Did you have it out or was it in your holster?

Mr. Hawkins.

I believe I had it out.

Mr. Ball.

What did you do with it?

Mr. Hawkins.

At that time, after he pointed out the person, Officer McDonald had started up the left aisle and he stopped and talked to two boys who were sitting about three rows in front of where Oswald was sitting. I continued up the north aisle or the left aisle as you would walk toward the screen, and then Officer McDonald had walked on back to this person who was seated back there.

Mr. Ball.

He was--he walked over to the right aisle, did he?

Mr. Hawkins.

He walked from the right aisle and came in from the person's right. I was about three rows from--still in the same aisle, on the left aisle and about three rows from McDonald and Oswald when I heard him say, "I've got him," or "This is it," or some words to that effect.

Mr. Ball.

Did you hear Oswald say anything?

Mr. Hawkins.

Not at that time; no, sir; I did not.

Mr. Ball.

What happened then?

Mr. Hawkins.

They had a scuffle and I immediately ran to the location. Officer Hutson had come in the aisle behind Oswald and McDonald and Officer Walker had come in on the left-hand side and I came up in the front. I grabbed his left hand and then immediately took my handcuffs out and put them on his left hand and we brought his right arm around as soon as the gun had been removed and handcuffed his right arm with both hands behind his back.

Mr. Ball.

Now, did you see Oswald strike Officer McDonald?