Mr. Ball.

years last month, which my primary duty is accident investigation. Before this time I served about 3 years in the radio patrol division.

Mr. Ball.

On November 22, 1963, you were on duty, were you?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes, sir; I was.

Mr. Ball.

What were your hours of duty?

Mr. Hawkins.

I was working the 7 a.m. to 3 p.m. shift that day.

Mr. Ball.

And were you assigned some special duty because of the presence of the President in the city?

Mr. Hawkins.

No, sir; on this day I was working accidents, which is my regular duty. I was working with an officer by the name of Elmer Baggett who had just transferred back into accident and I was giving him a refresher course in the regular duties of accident investigation.

Mr. Ball.

Do you work in uniform?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes, sir; I do.

Mr. Ball.

In the regular patrolman's uniform?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Of the Dallas Police Department?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes---the regular patrolman uniform.

Mr. Ball.

You drive an automobile?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes; I do.

Mr. Ball.

Is it a marked police car?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes--it is the blue and white marked police car.

Mr. Ball.

And where were you around 1 o'clock?

Mr. Hawkins.

I'm not sure on the time around it--if it was about the time of the assassination--I was--we were on an accident in the 2500 block of North Industrial, or in that vicinity, the first I had heard anything about this accident.

Mr. Ball.

You and your partner?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And did you hear the President had been killed?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes, I did.

Mr. Ball.

Now, did you later hear that Officer Tippit had been killed?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Ball.

Did you make a note of the time, or do you have any memory of the approximate time that you heard that report?

Mr. Hawkins.

I would say in the vicinity of around 1 p.m.--I'm not sure what time it was, because I didn't make any notes. As I said, we were on an accident at the time---I cleared from the call about the time we heard this information.

Mr. Ball.

And you got that information over the police radio?

Mr. Hawkins.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Ball.

Tell me, did you receive any instructions as to what to do?

Mr. Hawkins.

No, sir; I did not. They called--I heard a citizen come in on the radio and state that an officer had been shot and it looked like he was dead. We had just finished the accident at this time and I was driving an officer, Baggett, and I proceeded to Oak Cliff to the general vicinity of the call after checking out with the dispatcher, stating that we were proceeding in that direction.
We arrived in Oak Cliff and there were several squads in the general vicinity of where the shooting had occurred---different stories had come out that the person was--the suspect had been seen in the immediate vicinity.

Mr. Ball.

Did you go to 10th and Patton?

Mr. Hawkins.

We drove by 10th and Patton--we didn't stop at the location.

Mr. Ball.

Where did you go then?

Mr. Hawkins.

We circled the vicinity around Jefferson and Marsalis and in that area, talking to several people on the street, asking if they had seen anyone running up the alley or running down the street, and then they received a call, or I believe Officer Walker put out a call that he had just seen a white man running to the Oak Cliff Library, at which time we proceeded to this location. Officer Hutson had gotten into the car with us when we arrived in Oak Cliff, and there were three of us in the squad car--Officer Baggett, Officer Hutson, and myself.

Mr. Ball.

Hutson is also a patrolman?