Mr. Liebeler.

Yes, specifically, I first call your attention to No. 185. This is No. 185 on the back of it and will you look at the whole book and identify it if you can and tell us that those are the pictures that--that those appear to be the pictures or copies of the pictures that you took from your motion picture camera?

Mr. Zapruder.

Well, I would say this, they look like--if they were taken from the film I had--these are the ones. I mean, I don't know how to express myself.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, they were.

Mr. Zapruder.

Well, it looks like them--that's when they turned in from Elm Street. Is that it? I'm trying to visualize it. This is taking it from the opposite side of me, is it, where I would have been taking it, because I see this structure--I have been around there and--or these this couldn't be here--where did they get this in there--how did they get this in there, if I was taking the pictures where did they get this in there? That shouldn't be there.

Mr. Liebeler.

This is the thing back up behind on Dealy Plaza, I think, isn't it?

Mr. Zapruder.

They have one there, too?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes, I think there is. Now, if you will look at Hudson Exhibit No. 1, you will see that there is some kind of concrete structure there and is a different kind from that figure. It has bigger holes in it.

Mr. Zapruder.

That's right--in the back of this here, that's where it is--that's what I thought it was--that's where I got mixed up.

Mr. Liebeler.

You thought that the concrete latticework on the individual pictures in Commission Exhibit No. 885----

Mr. Zapruder.

Now I see it--that's where they have moved now the flowers and all that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes--I have to state this for the record--so they can understand what we are talking about--you confused it with the concrete latticework shown in the background in the individual photographs in Commission Exhibit No. 885, with the larger and obviously different concrete structure in the background of Hudson Exhibit No. 1?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes, that--there is Elm Street there--this is a corner.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, specifically here let me show you the ones that have been numbered 185 and 186 and see if you can recognize those. This is 185 here that we are looking at now--of Commission Exhibit No. 885.

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes. This is where he came in from Houston Street and turned there.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; and they are going down Elm Street now?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes; this is before--this shouldn't be there the--shot wasn't fired, was it? You can't tell from here?

Mr. Liebeler.

Mr. Zapruder.

I believe it was closer down here where it happened. Of course, on the film they could see better but you take an 8 millimeter and you enlarge it in color or in black and white, you lose a lot of detail. I wish I had an enlarger here for you.

Mr. Liebeler.

In any event, frame No. 185 does look like it's one of the frames, sir?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And 186 is similar also?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, I've got a list of them here that I want to ask you about--picture 207 and turn on over to this picture. It appears that a sign starts to come in the picture--there was a sign in the picture.

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes; there were signs there also and trees and-somehow--I told them I was going to get the whole view and I must have.

Mr. Liebeler.

But the sign was in the way?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes; but I must have neglected one part--I know what has happened--I think this was after that happened- -something had happened.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember when you looked at your pictures yourself, do you remember that there was a sign that does appear between the camera and the motorcade itself and you can see the motorcade for a while and the sign comes in the view?