Mr. Zapruder.

That's right.

Mr. Liebeler.

And the motorcade comes behind it. Now, what about picture No. 210---however--there is no No. 210 in here.

Mr. Zapruder.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

How about No. 222? Now, in No. 222 you can see the President's car coming out from behind the sign.

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you can see Governor Connally right there in that center seat, I believe?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes; Governor Connally--yes--these are all the same pictures--I remember the car was kind of buried and I was kind of low and I don't know how I got that view--I didn't get just the full view of the shot.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let's turn to 225 and there the car is coming further out from behind the sign.

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Is that still the same part of the sequence?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

You can now see the President for the first time.

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes; that's the President.

Mr. Liebeler.

The President appears to have his hand up by his throat as he is just coming from behind the sign.

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes; it looks like he was hit--it seems--there--somewhere behind the sign. You see, he is still sitting upright.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; he's sitting up and holding his hand up.

Mr. Zapruder.

Do we have the sequence--the next frames?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; it will be No. 227 and his hand comes up even more and he starts to move a little to his left.

Mr. Zapruder.

Apparently. And they started speeding the car then to---but he is still sitting up here. Is that still the President here?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; in picture No. 228--he still appears to have his hand up and in No. 229 it's even more pronounced.

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

As the car keeps coming up from behind and in picture 230 he has raised both hands up.

Mr. Zapruder.

It looks to me like he went like this--did he go to his throat--I don't remember--I thought he went like this [holding both hands on the left side of his chest]. Did it show?

Mr. Liebeler.

Let's turn over to picture 231 here--these still appear to be the same sequence of pictures, do they not?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes; you get about 16 per second and I think my camera was moving a little fast, maybe 18 frames per second. You see, we have a lot of pictures on there.

Mr. Liebeler.

And 235 is there.

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes; we've got that.

Mr. Liebeler.

In 235 both hands are up by his throat there or up to the top of his chest and Mrs. Kennedy is looking at him.

Mr. Zapruder.

To me it looks like it.

Mr. Liebeler.

You mean it looks to you as though he moved a little more sharply perhaps?

Mr. Zapruder.

Toward her--there are so many frames, of course, this is probably his first reaction, but he leaned over--it would be after the shot was fired, after I heard a sound, he went like this [leaning to the left and holding both hands to the left side of his chest].

Mr. Liebeler.

He moved over to his left and pulled his hands there?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes; he moved to the left and pulled his hands somewhat in this direction.

Mr. Liebeler.

Does picture 235 appear to be one of the pictures that was taken from your sequence?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

How about 240--let's turn over to 240 and there he has turned his head toward the left a little bit more.

Mr. Zapruder.

There's only about 100 frames--they are so close.