Mr. Hudson.

along up in there somewhere and come on down right here to the sidewalk, right along in there somewhere to where those steps is.

Mr. Liebeler.

So, that you think you were standing somewhere in the back left-hand part of this picture where the steps come down off of the concrete structure there?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes; this was taken at the present time it happened--this picture was?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; this is an actual picture of the motorcade itself; yes, sir. Let me suggest that the pictures are taken from different angles, referring to photograph No. 18 of Commission Exhibit No. 875--there is a little concrete stand here in the very right-hand side of the picture.

Mr. Hudson.

That's just right along in here.

Mr. Liebeler.

That's right, and that appears in Hudson Exhibit No. 1, immediately to the right of the sign that says, "Stemmons Freeway, keep right." does it not?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes; those steps are right along there between that concrete the end of that concrete wall right there and that elm tree come between them--no, not an elm but that's a live oak tree that's a live oak tree right there.

Mr. Liebeler.

And that's right off of the end of this concrete embankment there, there's a live oak tree there.

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you see yourself in that picture anywhere, can you make yourself out?

Mr. Hudson.

No, sir; I can't, unless it is one of these two men right here I can't tell--if I had that picture that was taken in the Times Herald .paper--I can show you myself in it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Which one is that?

Mr. Hudson.

Well, it was in the Times Herald paper the next morning after, I believe, after the assassination, maybe the evening after the assassination.

Mr. Liebeler.

Look at this picture.

Mr. Hudson.

[Examining picture referred to.] I don't know--if that's one of them men and myself or not up there.

Mr. Liebeler.

I have shown you Commission Exhibit No. 203, and you are not able to point to yourself in that picture at any place. Actually, Commission Exhibit No. 203 shows a different area.

Mr. Hudson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

That's a picture from the front of the Texas School Book Depository Building and you wouldn't be in that picture, according to where you placed yourself by looking at Hudson Exhibit No. 1.

Mr. Hudson.

No; I wouldn't be in that at all--I know. If they had that picture that was taken--a fellow was shooting from across Elm up toward those steps here, that showed my picture in it, I believe. Now, I could be one of those men standing fight there I'm not for sure I wouldn't say for sure that I was one of them or not, but I can't see it well enough to tell.

Mr. Liebeler.

In this picture here you see the car is going down Elm Street, isn't that right, referring to Hudson Exhibit No. 1?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And it is just about to pass a sign that says, "Stemmons Freeway, keep right." Do you think that the President could have been hit when he was that far hack up Elm Street?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes

Mr. Liebeler.

You do think that?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you had already heard one shot when you saw the President get hit in the head?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you heard another shot after that time?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you think, looking at Hudson Exhibit No. 1, do you think that that is about the place where the President got hit in the head, or was it further back up on Elm or was it further down---if so---about where was it?

Mr. Hudson.

That's somewhere pretty close.