Mr. Liebeler.

That's pretty close right there?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes; it's somewhere pretty close.

Mr. Liebeler.

After you heard these three shots and saw the President get hit in the head, you turned around and you ran up on the little knoll there and you got away.

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

While you were standing there, did you ever look up toward the railroad tracks .there where they went across the triple underpass?

Mr. Hudson.

No, sir; while I was laying there I didn't--I was looking down towards Elm Street.

Mr. Liebeler.

So, you never looked up towards the railroad tracks that went across the underpass?

Mr. Hudson.

No, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

But you are quite sure in your own mind that the shots came from the rear of the President's car and above it; is that correct?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have any idea that they might have come from the Texas School Book Depository Building?

Mr. Hudson.

Well, it sounded like it was high, you know, from above and kind of behind like in other words, to the left.

Mr. Liebeler.

And that would have fit in with the Texas School Book Depository, wouldn't it?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you look up there and see if you could see anybody?

Mr. Hudson.

No, sir; I didn't. I never thought about looking up that way, to tell you the truth about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

You were thinking about getting out of the way after things started?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes; it was just such an exciting time, you know, a fellow thinks about a million things in one second there at that time.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see anybody standing around there any place with a rifle on the grassy spot up there near where you were standing or on the overpass or any place else?

Mr. Hudson.

I never seen anyone with a gun up there except the patrols.

Mr. Liebeler.

The policemen?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, did you see anything else down there when this all happened that you think we ought to know about that I haven't asked you about?

Mr. Hudson.

No, sir; I don't know of anything.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see Governor Connally---did you think Governor Connally had been hit?

Mr. Hudson.

Well, sir; I never noticed Governor Connally in the car. The first shot must have struck him and he had done fell over in the car when that happened.

Mr. Liebeler.

So that you didn't even see Governor Connally in the car at all?

Mr. Hudson.

No, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

You didn't see him get hit by any of the shots?

Mr. Hudson.

No, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are assuming that maybe he got hit by the first shot and fell down in the car.

Mr. Hudson.

That's right.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you saw the President get hit by what you heard as the second shot?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

How far apart were the shots spaced; do you have any recollection about that, how long did it take for all the shots to be fired and how far apart was one shot from the other?

Mr. Hudson.

Well, they was pretty fast and not too fast either. It seemed like he had time enough to operate his gun plenty well---when the shots were all fired.

Mr. Liebeler.

How much time do you think passed from the time the first shot was fired until the second shot was fired, can you make any estimate about that?