Mr. Liebeler.

Could the car have actually been down here where it is in photograph No. 18, could it have been that far down Elm Street--this is Elm Street that runs down here---right here---could the car have been that far down Elm Street when the President got hit in the head?

Mr. Hudson.

No, sir; no, sir, it wasn't that far down.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you see this little pedestal back up here?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Just above the "X" where you were standing?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see anybody standing up there that you can remember, during the time the President went by?

Mr. Hudson.

Oh, there was a bunch of people in there, you know, a whole bunch of them--a lot of people in there a lot of people in here.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see anybody standing up there taking motion pictures with a movie camera?

Mr. Hudson.

Oh, yes; I seen people up there trying to get--taking pictures.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see a man with a moving picture camera?

Mr. Hudson.

Not in particular, I didn't. It was such an exciting time--- now---I did notice a man back over here on this triangle.

Mr. Liebeler.

Standing across Elm Street?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes; sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

With a motion picture camera?

Mr. Hudson.

Well, he had a camera--I don't know whether it was a motion picture camera or not, but he had a camera.

Mr. Liebeler.

I show you another picture which we will mark as Hudson Exhibit No. 1. I have put my initials on the back of the picture. Would you do that too so we can identify the picture before we start to talk about it, so we don't get confused?

Mr. Hudson.

You mean--put my name?

Mr. Liebeler.

Just your initials.

Mr. Hudson.

[Marked picture as requested.] Is that all right?

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, let's take a look at that picture, Mr. Hudson, and let me ask you if you can see in that picture, where you were standing?

Mr. Hudson.

(No response)

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, this picture, Hudson Exhibit No. 1, has a sign in it that says, "Stemmons Freeway, keep right," doesn't it?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you find that sign on the photograph No. 18 of Commission Exhibit No. 875? The one that we were talking about before.

Mr. Hudson.

That's right here, I believe right here.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, that sign says, "R. L. Thornton Freeway, keep right." Where is the Stemmons Freeway sign in this picture? Can you see it in that picture at all---I can't.

Mr. Hudson.

I can't either--that isn't it--it's farther up this way.

Mr. Liebeler.

That's further back up and it's out of the picture?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

There are two signs in picture No. 18, one says, "R. L. Thornton Freeway, keep right," and the other one says, "Fort Worth Turnpike, keep right."

Mr. Hudson.

,There were two of them that wasn't too far apart right through there them signs was--one was right along in here and the other one was either further up, I guess It's not in that picture---I don't believe. Now, they have moved some of those signs. They have moved that R. L. Thornton Freeway sign and put up a Stemmons sign.

Mr. Liebeler.

They have? They have moved it?

Mr. Hudson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

That might explain it, because this picture here, No. 18, was taken after the assassination and this one was taken at the time No. 1.

Mr. Hudson.

Yes; it had to be right along in there those steps have got to come down right along in here, if I see the picture right. Now, this is Elm right hero coming down through here, and this is that concrete thing up here that comes around like this---it comes over here and the steps begin right