Mr. Liebeler.

Down around the---let's put a No. 5 there at the corner here behind this concrete structure where the bushes were down toward the railroad tracks from the Texas School Book Depository Building on the little street that runs down in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building.

Mr. Smith.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now you say that you had the idea that the shots may have come from up in that area?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir; that is just what, well, like I say, the sound of it. That was the most helpless and hopeless feeling I ever had.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, you mentioned before there was an echo from the shots in the area.

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Probably caused by the fact that there are some large buildings around the area where the shots were fired from?

Mr. Smith.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now did you at any time have occasion to look up to the railroad tracks that went across the triple underpass?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir; I looked up there after I was going up to check there.

Mr. Liebeler.

You didn't have any occasion to 'look up there before you heard the shots?

Mr. Smith.

No, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

After you heard the shots, you proceeded down along the bushes here between the street that runs in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building and Elm Street to approximately point 5, and then when you went down looking to the cars, you then had occasion to look up at the railroad tracks running over the triple underpass?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see anybody up there?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir; there was two other officers there, I know.

Mr. Liebeler.

Were there any other people up there, that you can remember?

Mr. Smith.

No, sir; none that I remember.

Mr. Liebeler.

But you remember that there were two police officers up there?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now you searched these cars in this parking lot area down there by the railroad tracks on from point 5 down toward the main railroad tracks that cross over the triple underpass. Did you find anything that you could associate in any way with the assassination?

Mr. Smith.

No, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

How long did you remain down in that area?

Mr. Smith.

Oh, I would say approximately 15 to 20 minutes.

Mr. Liebeler.

During that time, you continued searching through automobiles and searching the general area in the parking lot back there; is that right?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

What did you do after you had searched this area?

Mr. Smith.

Well, it was, I don't remember whether this was a deputy sheriff--I don't know his name he was in civilian clothes--he said they came from the building up here. And by that time, of course, all the police around there sealed the building off, and I went to the front door here on the, well, you might say, the Houston Street side. I and Barnett, and we sealed the front door and didn't let anyone in or out until he was passed by the chief.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let me ask you this. Before you went up to the School Book Depository Building, am I correct in understanding that you did thoroughly search the area of the parking lot, you and the other officers?

Mr. Smith.

Well, now, I didn't go into all the cars. I looked into them, and I was well satisfied in my mind that he wasn't around there.
Some of the cars were locked, and I just looked into all of them around there, and I went back to the building.

Mr. Liebeler.

Who gave you instructions to go to the front door of that building, do you remember?

Mr. Smith.

I believe it was Sergeant Howard.

Mr. Liebeler.

Sergeant Howard?

Mr. Smith.

Sergeant Howard, or Sergeant Harkness.