Mr. Liebeler.

triple underpass. Could you observe those windows from the point where you were standing?

Mr. Smith.

No, sir; not where I could tell whether they were open or closed.

Mr. Liebeler.

Because you were standing too far up Elm Street to have a good vantage point from which to observe these windows?

Mr. Smith.

I mean on Houston Street.

Mr. Liebeler.

That is what I mean.

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

You wouldn't have been able to see the windows of the building that is down on the intersection of Main and Houston Streets at all from where you were standing?

Mr. Smith.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

If you could have seen, it would have been with great difficulty, so you weren't in position to observe those windows, and you didn't in fact observe them, is that correct?

Mr. Smith.

Correct.

Mr. Liebeler.

While you were standing here and the motorcade went by, tell us what happened at that point.

Mr. Smith.

I heard the shots.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you turn to watch the motorcade? Did you turn to watch the President as the motorcade went by?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir; I glanced around and was watching the crowd to make sure they stayed back out of the way of the motorcade, and also to make sure none of the cars started up or anything. Then I heard the shots, and I immediately proceeded from this point.

Mr. Liebeler.

Point 4 on Commission Exhibit No. 354?

Mr. Smith.

I started up toward this Book Depository after I heard the shots, and I didn't know where the shots came from. I had no idea, because it was such a ricochet.

Mr. Liebeler.

An echo effect?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir.; and this woman came up to me and she was just in hysterics. She told me, "They are shooting the President from the bushes." So I immediately proceeded up here.

Mr. Liebeler.

You proceeded up to an area immediately behind the concrete structure here that is described by Elm Street and the street that runs immediately in front of the Texas School Book Depository, is that right?

Mr. Smith.

I was checking all the bushes and I checked all the cars in the parking lot.

Mr. Liebeler.

There is a parking lot in behind this grassy area back from Elm Street toward the railroad tracks, and you went down to the parking lot and looked around?

Mr. Smith.

Yes, sir; I checked all the cars. I looked into all the cars and checked around the bushes. Of course, I wasn't alone. There was some deputy sheriff with me, and I believe one Secret Service man when I got there.
I got to make this statement, too. I felt awfully silly, but after the shot and this woman, I pulled my pistol from my holster, and I thought, this is silly, I don't know who I am looking for, and I put it back. Just as I did, he showed me that he was a Secret Service agent.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you accost this man?

Mr. Smith.

Well, he saw me coming with my pistol and right away he showed me who he was.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember who it was?

Mr. Smith.

No, sir; I don't--because then we started checking the cars. In fact, I was checking the bushes, and I went through the cars, and I started over here in this particular section.

Mr. Liebeler.

Down toward the railroad tracks where they go over the triple underpass?

Mr. Smith.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have any basis for believing where the shots came from, or where to look for somebody, other than what the lady told you?

Mr. Smith.

No, sir; except that maybe it was a power of suggestion. But it sounded to me like they may have came from this vicinity here.