Mrs. Cabell.

aware of the odor of gunpowder. I was aware that the motorcade stopped dead still. There was no question about that.

Mr. Hubert.

Let me ask you, after the first shot and your observation of this object in that window as you have described it, you turned your attention from that window?

Mrs. Cabell.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

So that you were not looking in the direction of that window when the second and third shots were fired?

Mrs. Cabell.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you look in that direction thereafter?

Mrs. Cabell.

If I did, I don't recall. I am completely aware of the people running up that hill. I saw the man throw the child on the ground and throw himself. I saw a woman in a bright green dress throw herself on the ground. I saw the policeman running up the grassy slope.

Mr. Hubert.

You also mentioned that you were acutely aware of the smell of gunpowder?

Mrs. Cabell.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

When was that relative to the shots? I mean how soon after?

Mrs. Cabell.

I cannot say for sure, because as I told you, the motorcade was stopped. And somewhere in there, Congressman Roberts said, "That is a .30-06." I didn't know what a .30-06 was.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say that after all the shots were fired?

Mrs. Cabell.

I believe so. There was much confusion.

Mr. Hubert.

And it was about that time that you observed the odor?

Mrs. Cabell.

Of gunpowder.

Mr. Hubert.

That was when your car at least had come to a standstill?

Mrs. Cabell.

Every car in the motorcade had come to a standstill.

Mr. Hubert.

Therefore, of course, it was before you followed on to the hospital?

Mrs. Cabell.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you make the observation to anyone at that time that you had smelled gunpowder?

Mrs. Cabell.

No; because there was too much confusion. But I mentioned it to Congressman Roberts when we were in Washington a couple of weeks ago.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say that he had observed it?

Mrs. Cabell.

As well as I remember, he said "Yes." We were in a group, a large group, and there was much conversation.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you hear any other spontaneous remarks by anyone else? By spontaneous remarks, I mean remarks made then, not later.

Mrs. Cabell.

Congressman Roberts--and I believe this was after the third shot, because we were dead still for a matter of some seconds--then when the motorcade started up, Congressman Roberts said--these might not be his exact words, but this is what he meant: "If all is well ahead, we are headed for Love Field. We are getting out."

Mr. Hubert.

His previous remark about the caliber of the rifle, which you did not at that time understand, was made after the third shot was fired and before you began to move?

Mrs. Cabell.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was there any other remark made by anyone other than those that you have covered?

Mrs. Cabell.

No; except that as the motorcade started up, he said, "If all is well----

Mr. Hubert.

Who said?

Mrs. Cabell.

Congressman Roberts said, "If all is well, we are headed for Love Field. We are getting out."

Mr. Hubert.

Did the driver say anything, to your knowledge?

Mrs. Cabell.

I don't recall that he said a word.

Mr. Hubert.

During the time that you were standing absolutely still for a few seconds, did you have occasion, or did you in fact look up at that window again?

Mrs. Cabell.

Not again, as I recall.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go to the hospital too?