Mrs. Cabell.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You were with your husband?

Mrs. Cabell.

When we reached the hospital, the Presidential car was pulled up toward the slot ordinarily reserved for ambulances, which pulled us up a little closer to the entrance of the hospital. And as my husband jumped out of the car, he turned around and looked at me and said, "'Stay in the car." And I believe at that time that Congressman Roberts got out of the car. The Texas delegation was standing around the cars at that time. And I sat in the car with our driver for quite some time.

Mr. Hubert.

How long, about?

Mrs. Cabell.

I cannot tell you. Time left me that day. I sat there for quite a long time. I stood up and I saw them taking the President out of the car. I saw my husband by the carriage when the Governor was taken out of the car. Then our driver, after they went into the hospital, turned the car radio on and we and the other members of the Texas delegation, Senator Yarborough, all of the others--the delegation moved hack and forth from the car where I was sitting, up to the door of the hospital. It is my impression that none of them went in.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go in?

Mrs. Cabell.

Yes; twice. Do you want me to tell you both times?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes, ma'am.

Mrs. Cabell.

Well, this is a little difficult for me to tell.

Mr. Hubert.

Let me put it this way. What I am interested in is whether or not you saw Jack Ruby there. Did you know him prior to that time?

Mrs. Cabell.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Of course you have seen his pictures?

Mrs. Cabell.

Since; but I had never seen him before.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see him at any place that you went in the hospital, in front of the hospital, or about the hospital on that day?

Mrs. Cabell.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

In order to know where you were, to exclude your seeing him there, would you tell us just what places you were?

Mrs. Cabell.

In the hospital?

Mr. Hubert.

Were you out there for some time?

Mrs. Cabell.

There came a time when it was necessary for me to find a ladies room. I walked up to one of the many police officers at the door and I said, "Officer, I am Mrs. Earle Cabell." He said, "Yes, Mrs. Cabell, I know." I have no idea which officer it was. I said, "It is necessary for me to go into the ladies' room. Can you get me in?" He said, "I can try." He had quite a good deal of trouble getting me in and identifying me. They did not let me go in until a nurse's aid was brought to the door. They did not let me stay on the first floor where the emergency section was. They took me to the left. This nurse's aid took me to the left with the police officer following, and we crossed the cafeteria and went over toward the front of the building. The nurse's aid went into the ladies' room with me. The policeman stood at the door. We went back the same way.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell me who was guarding the front door so that there was some difficulty getting you in.

Mrs. Cabell.

I do not know. An elderly man in shirt sleeves, that I remember. I assume he was a part of the hospital personnel. I don't really know that to be true.

Mr. Hubert.

Were there police or State police or city police?

Mrs. Cabell.

They were everywhere.

Mr. Hubert.

But you mean they were checking people going into the hospital?

Mrs. Cabell.

Yes. Then as I came in, the policeman escorted me back to our car. I sat there again, I do not know how much longer I sat, but somebody brought me a Coca-Cola. We, as you know, had nothing to eat or drink since coffee at Mr. and Mrs. Eric Jonsson's, where we gathered before going to Love Field. Then a man came up to me. I have to assume that he was a Secret Service man. He said, "Are you Mrs. Earle Cabell?" I said, "Yes." He said, "There are no ladies presently with Mrs. Kennedy. We feel that it might be nice if you go in." So I handed my partially drunk Coca-Cola to the