between the presidential car and the vice presidential car. If that is true, we were one car further back.

Mr. Hubert.

You were sitting on the rear seat of the convertible?

Mrs. Cabell.

Behind the driver.

Mr. Hubert.

Behind the driver. That would have put---

Mrs. Cabell.

Me on the left.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was on your right?

Mrs. Cabell.

Congressman Ray Roberts?

Mr. Hubert.

Your husband was seated to the left of the driver on the front seat?

Mr. Cabell.

The right of the driver.

Mr. Hubert.

The right of the driver. Now will you tell us in your own words, ma'am, what you saw and heard concerning the President's death?

Mrs. Cabell.

As my husband has told you, he had his back to the School Depository Building. He was looking back talking to us.
Congressman Roberts was sitting just as this lady is now, and turned the same way. I was turned facing him. We were looking directly at each other, The position of our car was such that when that first shot rang out, my position was such that I did not have to turn to look at the building. I was directly facing it.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, your car was still really on Houston?

Mrs. Cabell.

No; we were making the turn.

Mr. Hubert.

Just on the turn?

Mrs. Cabell.

Just on the turn, which put us at the top of the hill, you see.

Mr. Hubert.

Since you were actually turned toward Representative Roberts on your right?

Mrs. Cabell.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Actually, you were facing----

Mrs. Cabell.

The building.

Mr. Hubert.

The Texas Depository Building?

Mrs. Cabell.

I was actually facing it.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the first thing you noticed of an extraordinary nature, or heard?

Mrs. Cabell.

I heard the shot, and without having to turn my head, I jerked my head up.

Mr. Hubert.

Why did you do that?

Mrs. Cabell.

Because I heard the direction from which the shot came, and I just jerked my head up.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you see?

Mrs. Cabell.

I saw a projection out of one of those windows. Those windows on the sixth floor are in groups of twos.

Mr. Hubert.

In which window did you see the projection?

Mrs. Cabell.

I have always been a little confused about that, but I think it was the first window.

Mr. Hubert.

On what floor?

Mrs. Cabell.

On the top floor. Now I cannot take oath and say which window. There was some confusion in my mind.

Mr. Hubert.

But you say there were double windows. Is the confusion about whether it was the first or second double window, or the first or second window of the double windows?

Mrs. Cabell.

The first or second window of the first group of double windows.

Mr. Hubert.

What was this projection?

Mrs. Cabell.

I cannot tell you. It was rather long looking, the projection.

Mr. Hubert.

What did it seem like? An arm of an individual, or something mechanical?

Mrs. Cabell.

I did not know, because I did not see a hand or a head or a human form behind it. It was in just a fleeting second that I jerked my head up and I saw something in that window, and I turned around to say to Earle, "Earle, it is a shot", and before I got the words out, just as I got the words out, he said, "Oh, no; it must have been a "the second two shots rang out. After that, there is a certain amount of confusion in my mind. I was acutely