(Testimony of Sam Guinyard)
Mr. Guinyard.
Yes.
Mr. Ball.
The alleyway that runs along the north side of the lot?
Mr. Guinyard.
Yes.
Mr. Ball.
Now, where was Oswald when he passed you going south toward Jefferson?
Mr. Guinyard.
Well, he was between the alley and the driveway coming off Patton.
Mr. Ball.
And he was across .the street from you, wasn't he?
Mr. Guinyard.
No; he was on this side of the street.
Mr. Ball.
You were on the east side of the street?
Mr. Guinyard.
Yes, sir; and he was too--he was on the east side of the street until he got across our driveway and then he got onto the west side.
Mr. Ball.
How close .was he to you when you saw him?
Mr. Guinyard.
I guess he was about 10 feet from me---maybe.
Mr. Ball.
About 10 feet?
Mr. Guinyard.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Mr. Callaway has told us and we measured it with a tape measure, that Oswald was on the west side of the street, and we measured it and he figured it was about 55 feet from him when he passed.
Mr. Guinyard.
Well, he crossed over after he crossed the driveway.
Mr. Ball.
Well----
Mr. Guinyard.
Mr. Callaway followed him, you see, we was together--he was my boss at that time and he followed him.
Mr. Ball.
Callaway?
Mr. Guinyard.
Yes; trying to see which way was he going.
Mr. Ball.
And then, which way did he go after he got to Jefferson?
Mr. Guinyard.
He went west on Jefferson--on the right-hand side---going west.
Mr. Ball.
And what did Callaway do?
Mr. Guinyard.
He turned around and run back to the street and we helped load the policeman in the ambulance.
Mr. Ball.
He ran back up to 10th Street, did you say?
Mr. Guinyard.
Yes.
Mr. Ball.
Did you go with him?
Mr. Guinyard.
Right with him.
Mr. Ball.
Did you see a police car there?
Mr. Guinyard.
Yes.
Mr. Ball.
What did you see besides the police car?
Mr. Guinyard.
The police that was laying down in the front of the car.
Mr. Ball.
A policeman?
Mr. Guinyard.
Yes.
Mr. Ball.
Was he dead or alive at that time?
Mr. Guinyard.
He looked like he was dead to me.
Mr. Ball.
What did you do?
Mr. Guinyard.
Helped put him in the ambulance.
Mr. Ball.
You stayed there until the ambulance came?
Mr. Guinyard.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Were you there when the truck came up that was driven by Benavides?
Mr. Guinyard.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
He came up right after this?
Mr. Guinyard.
Yes; he came up from the east side---going west.
Mr. Ball.
And then what did you do after that?
Mr. Guinyard.
Well, we stood there a while and talked and I called him Donnie, he picked up all them empty hulls that come out of the gun.
Mr. Ball.
Who did--Benavides?
Mr. Guinyard.
Yes.
Mr. Ball.
Did you pick them up---any of them?
Mr. Guinyard.
He picked them up--I didn't pick them up---I was there with him.
Mr. Ball.
You were there?
Mr. Guinyard.
I was there with him.
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