Mr. Guinyard.

front of the big white house---there's a big two-story white house---there's two of them there and he come through the one right on the corner of Patton.

Mr. Ball.

Could you see down to the corner of 10th and Patton to the house?

Mr. Guinyard.

I seen him when he come between the two houses, come around in front of the last house to get on Patton Street to come out to Jefferson.

Mr. Ball.

Where were you when you saw this?

Mr. Guinyard.

Where was I?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Guinyard.

I was there at the back, right at the alley back there about as far from Patton Street as--about twice as far from here as to that window.

Mr. Ball.

Then, you were about 10 feet from Patton Street?

Mr. Guinyard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

So that you could look up Patton Street?

Mr. Guinyard.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

North on Patton?

Mr. Guinyard.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And you saw a man, did you?

Mr. Guinyard.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

What did you see him doing?

Mr. Guinyard.

He came through there running and knocking empty shells out of his pistol and he had it up just like this with his hand.

Mr. Ball.

With which hand?

Mr. Guinyard.

With his right hand; just kicking them out.

Mr. Ball.

He had it up?

Mr. Guinyard.

Yes; he had it up just like this.

Mr. Ball.

How was he kicking them out?

Mr. Guinyard.

He was rolling them with his hand--with his thumb.

Mr. Ball.

Rolling them with his thumb?

Mr. Guinyard.

Checking them--he had the pistol up just like this [indicating].

Mr. Ball.

Did he use his left hand any?

Mr. Guinyard.

No; I never did see him use his left hand.

Mr. Ball.

He didn't?

Mr. Guinyard.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And where was he with reference to the corner of Patton and 10th when you saw him?

Mr. Guinyard.

Where was he?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Guinyard.

Just as he come around the corner on Patton, he cut through the yard and missed the corner on 10th and Patton and cut through the yard.

Mr. Bail.

He cut through the yard of the house on the corner of 10th and Patton?

Mr. Guinyard.

That's right.

Mr. Ball.

That would be the southeast corner, wouldn't it?

Mr. Guinyard.

The west--southwest corner--the southeast corner is where he started across, but he come out on Patton on the southwest corner.

Mr. Ball.

In other words, when you first saw him he was cutting across the yard of the house on the southeast corner?

Mr. Guinyard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

That's the white house?

Mr. Guinyard.

Yes; the big two-story white house.

Mr. Ball.

Did he cross Patton?

Mr. Guinyard.

No, sir; he come down Patton until he got to about 5 feet from the corner of Jefferson and .then he turned across and went across to the west corner on Jefferson.

Mr. Ball.

What side of the street did you see him coming down on?

Mr. Guinyard.

He was on the left side--when he come down--it would be the east side.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see Mr. Callaway there?

Mr. Guinyard.

We was together; yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You were together?

Mr. Guinyard.

Yes, sir; he was at the front and I was at the back.

Mr. Ball.

You and Callaway were standing at the alleyway?