Mr. Shields.

That's right, I did. I didn't know what had happened.

Mr. Ball.

Then what did you do?

Mr. Shields.

Well, Givens run down here---right down here.

Mr. Ball.

He ran down here to this building?

Mr. Shields.

He ran down to the next corner.

Mr. Ball.

And what was the next corner?

Mr. Shields.

That was on Elm and Houston.

Mr. Ball.

Did you come with him?

Mr. Shields.

No; I did not---he had me to stay there at the lot.

Mr. Ball.

And they all ran down there?

Mr. Shields.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see Givens again?

Mr. Shields.

Yes; we came back to the building--he and Tracey.

Mr. Ball.

Then what did you do?

Mr. Shields.

We came back down to the Texas School Book Depository Building here and tried to get in the building and they wouldn't let no one in---he couldn't get in and I went on back to the warehouse.

Mr. Ball.

What did Givens do?

Mr. Shields.

Well, they came and got him because he was working here and I was at the warehouse.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see him leave with the police?

Mr. Shields.

No; I didn't. I was at the warehouse and he had come here.

Mr. Ball.

I believe that's all. This will be written up and you will be asked to sign it and to make any corrections that you wish, you may make them in your own handwriting, and somebody will call you from the U.S. attorney's office and let you know when to come up.

Mr. Shields.

OK.

Mr. Ball.

Thank you very much.

Mr. Shields.

OK.

Sam Guinyard

Testimony of Sam Guinyard

The testimony of Sam Guinyard was taken at 10:15 a.m., on April 2, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Ball.

Will you stand up, Sam, and hold up your right hand? Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give before the Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing. but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Guinyard.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Will you state your name and address for the record?

Mr. Guinyard.

Sam Guinyard.

Mr. Ball.

That's [spelling] G-u-i-n-y-a-r-d, and what is your address--where do you live?

Mr. Guinyard.

2815 South Ervay Street.

Mr. Ball.

Where were you working on November 22, 1963?

Mr. Guinyard.

On East Jefferson--501 East Jefferson.

Mr. Ball.

Where is that?

Mr. Guinyard.

Harris Motor Co.

Mr. Ball.

A used-car lot?

Mr. Guinyard.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

What kind of work were you doing?

Mr. Guinyard.

Porter.

Mr. Ball.

How old are you, Sam?

Mr. Guinyard.

I am 28.

Mr. Ball.

And where were you born?

Mr. Guinyard.

In Ennis.

Mr. Ball.

Ennis, Tex.?