Mr. Shields.

I work in the shipping department, but some guy put it down that I worked as a shipping clerk. I do receiving and shipping with the shipping department.

Mr. Ball.

Of what company?

Mr. Shields.

With the Texas School Book Co. at 1917 North Houston, at the warehouse.

Mr. Ball.

That's how far from the building that is at the corner of Houston and Elm?

Mr. Shields.

Well, I'd say about three blocks down to this old building.

Mr. Ball.

How long have you worked for the Texas School Book Co.?

Mr. Shields.

It will be 14 years the 14th of August.

Mr. Ball.

But you work in the warehouse?

Mr. Shields.

I do.

Mr. Ball.

On November 22, 1963, were you out watching the parade pass by?

Mr. Shields.

I was.

Mr. Ball.

For what time?

Mr. Shields.

I'd say from about 5 to 12 to about 10 after 12; I mean, about 5 to 12 to 10 after 12--I heard the shooting.

Mr. Ball.

The shooting was at 12:30.

Mr. Shields.

It was--that's when we was standing there watching the parade when it came through.

Mr. Ball.

How did you get around to see him before?

Mr. Shields.

We just got on the parking lot there because we go up there and sit down there and talk with James Tracey.

Mr. Ball.

Who is James Tracey?

Mr. Shields.

He was the manager of the lot--there's somebody else there now.

Mr. Ball.

That lot is where?

Mr. Shields.

It's near Record and Elm.

Mr. Bill.

Near Record and Elm?

Mr. Shields.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

You say you go up there to a parking lot?

Mr. Shields.

Well, we go over there every day at noon and talk to the fellow that ran it, but that's not the same fellow there now.

Mr. Ball.

But had you, prior to November 22, 1963, had it been your custom of going over there to see him at noon?

Mr. Shields.

I had been going by there every day at noon.

Mr. Ball.

What about Givens?

Mr. Shields.

I would be going some days when he wouldn't go, but I would see him-- James Tracey--every day at noon.

Mr. Ball.

On November 22, did you go over there?

Mr. Shields.

I was there yes; I was there.

Mr. Ball.

Approximately what time?

Mr. Shields.

That was around 5 to 12--that would be to 5 after 12.

Mr. Ball.

What about Givens?

Mr. Shields.

He was there at noon after he had eaten his lunch, I mean, he come on up there.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see the President's motorcade?

Mr. Shields.

I sure did.

Mr. Ball.

Where was it when you saw it?

Mr. Shields.

I was just standing right around there at Mullendorf's Cafe.

Mr. Ball.

At what address?

Mr. Shields.

On Record and Main.

Mr. Ball.

Who was with you?

Mr. Shields.

Givens.

Mr. Ball.

And did you hear any shots?

Mr. Shields.

Yes: I heard the shots.

Mr. Ball.

And what did you and Givens do after you heard the shots?

Mr. Shields.

I said, "The President has been shot"; we walked back to the lot and where Tracey was. I heard one shot and then a pause and then this repetition--two shots right behind the other, and I thought it was backfire from a car and I said, "Someone shot the President."

Mr. Ball.

You said, "Someone shot the President"?