Mr. Ball.

But where you had rolled them to; how far was it?

Mr. Shelley.

Oh, about 3 feet.

Mr. Ball.

About 3 feet?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And the "Think and Do" books, sixth-grade level, where the piece had been cut out to examine for his palmprint, was it in its proper place?

Mr. Shelley.

Well, all that stock was stacked clear to the south wall on the cast side and some cartons had been moved and stacked on top of some more. There was an empty spot there and this one particular carton was sitting on it there.

Mr. Ball.

By itself?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes; by itself. By the side where the rest of them were.

Mr. Ball.

Now, Lee Oswald was a checker, wasn't he?

Mr. Shelley.

An order filler.

Mr. Ball.

An order filler?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And do you recall that when he came to work he used a clipboard to put his orders on; is that correct?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes, sir; all of the boys do.

Mr. Ball.

All the boys use clipboards?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know where Oswald got the clipboard he used?

Mr. Shelley.

Well, it was a piece of cardboard, actually, with a clip on it and it was homemade---he could have made it himself.

Mr. Ball.

You don't know who made it?

Mr. Shelley.

No; I'm not for sure.

Mr. Ball.

Were you present when the clipboard was found on the sixth floor?

Mr. Shelley.

It was Frankie Kaiser that found that and came down and told me and I told Mr. Pinkston with the FBI.

Mr. Ball.

Did you go up and look at it?

Mr. Shelley.

I went up with him and he got it.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see a name on it?

Mr. Shelley.

I think it had Frankie's name on it--Frankie Kaiser's name. He said he thought that might have been one he had made before he was all times making them.

Mr. Ball.

I believe that's all. Your other deposition is going to come down here and you can sign it at the same time you sign this one.

Mr. Shelley.

OK; I was coming back up the next day and we were awful busy down there is the reason I didn't.

Mr. Ball.

Anyway, it will come down for your signature and you can look it over and, if you have any corrections to make, correct them and initial them. That's all, and thank you.

Mr. Shelley.

All right; thank you.

Edward Shields

Testimony of Edward Shields

The testimony of Edward Shields was taken at 4:25 p.m., on May 14, 1964, at the Texas School Book Depository Building, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Ball.

Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give before this Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Shields.

I do.

Mr. Ball.

State your name.

Mr. Shields.

Edward Shields.

Mr. Ball.

Where do you live?

Mr. Shields.

I live now at 1432 Stirling. I was living at 414 Cleaves Street.

Mr. Ball.

What is your occupation?