Mr. Shelley.

You, mean the one under the Rolling Readers?

Mr. Ball.

The one under the Rolling Readers.

Mr. Shelley.

It was a carton of "Think and Do" books, first-grade level.

Mr. Ball.

"Think and Do" books?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Of the first-grade level?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Those cartons were larger than the Rolling Readers, aren't they?

Mr. Shelley.

About four time as large.

Mr. Ball.

Can you describe their size in inches?

Mr. SHELLEY. I would say they are around 22 long, 18 wide, and 20 tall, approximately.

Mr. Ball.

What would you say is the size---was the size of the Rolling Reader?

Mr. Shelley.

It's about 12 inches long---6 by 6.

Mr. Ball.

Now, was there a place where things and those books were usually stacked on the sixth floor?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Where?

Mr. Shelley.

Along the west wall all the way across.

Mr. Ball.

You had been doing work up there that day, had you?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes; I mean the east wall; I'm sorry.

Mr. Ball.

Had they ever been in the west wall?

Mr. Shelley.

No, sir; when we moved in that building we put them on the west wall.

Mr. Ball.

On the west wall?

Mr. Shelley.

On the west wall; I mean the east wall.

Mr. Ball.

Then, the "Think and Do" books were on the east wall?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And piled how many cartons high?

Mr. Shelley.

Well, there were some of them as high as eight high.

Mr. Ball.

Then, this carton of "Think and Do" books that was on the floor, near the window, under the two Rolling Readers, was stacked--would have been stacked along the east wall?

Mr. Shelley.

No; that was a new title and we didn't have a place for it and it had been set up on the west wall and when we started laying the floor, we had to reeve all of the stock over there, including that particular type.

Mr. Ball.

Then, when you moved the stock, where did you move these "Think and Do" book cartons?

Mr. Shelley.

They are on the south side--along the south side of the building. We just had a big line of stock, you know; the first thing that was pulled out, we would roll it onto the southeast corner, and then the row went right on back toward the west wall.

Mr. Ball.

Along the west wall?

Mr. Shelley.

We started rolling it east and then it went back west and as you fill in an order, it goes back west, you see.

Mr. Ball.

There was also a Carton of books where they found some handprints and they cut a piece out of the top; do you remember that? Don't you?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Do you recognize that carton?

Mr. Shelley.

That was another carton of "Think and Do" books--sixth grade.

Mr. Ball.

Where were those cartons usually stacked?

Mr. Shelley.

They were stacked in the southeast corner on the east wall.

Mr. Ball.

About where that was found, was it not?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Now, the "Think and Do" books for the first-grade level, that was underneath the two Rolling Readers; was that out of place?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

How far away from the place where those books were usually stacked?

Mr. Shelley.

Where they were previously stacked was over near the west wall.