Mr. Truly.

thought in my mind except that I had seen him a short time before in the building, I noticed he wasn't there.

Mr. Ball.

What do you mean "a short time before"?

Mr. Truly.

I would say 10 or 12 minutes.

Mr. Ball.

You mean that's when you saw him in the lunchroom?

Mr. Truly.

In the lunchroom.

Mr. Ball.

And you noticed he wasn't over there?

Mr. Truly.

Well, I asked Bill Shelley if he had seen him around and he said "No."

Mr. Ball.

Now, you told Chief Lumpkin that there was a man missing?

Mr. Truly.

Yes; and he said, "Let's go tell Captain Fritz." Well, I didn't know where Captain Fritz was.

Mr. Ball.

Now, did you tell Chief Lumpkin the man was missing before or after you called to the warehouse and got the name?

Mr. Truly.

No, I called the warehouse beforehand.

Mr. Ball.

You didn't talk to any police officer before you called the warehouse and got the address?

Mr. Truly.

Not that I remember.

Mr. Ball.

You did that on your own without instructions?

Mr. Truly.

That's right.

Mr. Ball.

So, when you talked to Chief Lumpkin, you at that time had in your possession there the address of Lee Oswald in Irving?

Mr. Truly.

That's right, I had scribbled it down on a piece of map or something so I would remember it.

Mr. Ball.

That is the address that he had put on his application form for employment?

Mr. Truly.

That's right.

Mr. Ball.

And did you know of any other address

Mr. Truly.

I didn't know of any other address at all.

Mr. Ball.

Of Lee Oswald?

Mr. Truly.

I supposed that's where he was living.

Mr. Ball.

Where was Captain Fritz when you saw him?

Mr. Truly.

He was on the sixth floor in the area where they found the rifle.

Mr. Ball.

And was the rifle there at the time?

Mr. Truly.

No, I never saw the rifle.

Mr. Ball.

Was this after or before the rifle had been taken from the building?

Mr. Truly.

It was before the rifle had been taken from the building.

Mr. Ball.

And do you know whether it was before or after the rifle was found?

Mr. Truly.

Apparently the rifle had been found before I got to the sixth floor, but just how early, I don't know.

Mr. Ball.

But you had heard that the rifle was found, had you, by your talk with Fritz?

Mr. Truly.

That's--I don't know--I learned it was found while I was on the sixth floor.

Mr. Ball.

While you were on the sixth floor?

Mr. Truly.

While I was on the sixth floor.

Mr. Ball.

In other words, you went with Chief Lumpkin to the sixth floor, didn't you?

Mr. Truly.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And what was your purpose of going there?

Mr. Truly.

My purpose in going there was to inform Captain Fritz that this boy was missing and give him his telephone number, and his Irving address, at the suggestion of Chief Lumpkin, who accompanied me.

Mr. Ball.

Did you give Captain Fritz this name and address?

Mr. Truly.

Yes, I did.

Mr. Ball.

Was it while you were there that you learned the rifle had been found?

Mr. Truly.

I don't remember who I learned this from----

Mr. Ball.

I didn't ask you that, I'm talking about time only.

Mr. Truly.

That was while I was on the sixth floor is when I learned the rifle was found, but I did not see it.

Mr. Ball.

All right. Now, was it before or after you told Captain Fritz the