Mr. Ball.

name and address of Lee Oswald, that you learned that the rifle was found?

Mr. Truly.

I can't remember, I believe it was afterwards.

Mr. Ball.

You are sure it was after you told Captain Fritz---after what, you tell me?

Mr. Truly.

I told--well, when Chief Lumpkin and I went to the sixth floor, Captain Fritz was standing in ,the area where I later learned they had found the gun, and Chief Lumpkin told Captain Fritz that Mr. Truly had something to tell him, which I would like to tell him, so he stepped over 4 or 5 feet to where I was, away from the other men---officers and reporters, I would say, that were on the floor, and I repeated the words to Captain Fritz.

Mr. Ball.

What did you tell him?

Mr. Truly.

I told him that we had a man missing---I told him what his name was and his Irving address and he said, "All right, thank you, Mr. Truly. We will get right on it," or words to that effect, and so I left the sixth floor shortly.
While I was up there, just as I left Captain Fritz, a reporter walked over and said, "What about this fellow Oswald?" And I said, "Where did you learn the name 'Oswald'?" Because I had talked rather low to Captain Fritz and I said, "He's just an employee here," and I left, and sometime---someone informed me that they had found the gun. I don't know who it was.

Mr. Ball.

About that time?

Mr. Truly.

It was along about that time, as near as I can remember, and I went back down to the first floor and I don't think I was up on the sixth floor any other time that day. I possibly could have been, but I don'.t recall it, because I was besieged by reporters and everybody else on the first floor, and talking to officers and so forth and I had no occasion to go back up there.

Mr. Ball.

Now, about what time of day would you say is your best estimate that you told Captain Fritz of the name "Lee Oswald" and his address?

Mr. Truly.

My best estimate would be a little before 1 o'clock--10 minutes.

Mr. Ball.

The gun wasn't found until after 1 o'clock?

Mr. Truly.

It wasn't found until after 1 o'clock?

Mr. Ball.

No, it wasn't found until after 1 o'clock. I won't tell you exactly the time the gun was found, but I will say that the gun was not found until after 1 o'clock.

Mr. Truly.

Well, I may be mistaken about where I learned they had found the gun. I thought it was on the sixth floor--it could have been some other place.

Mr. Ball.

Captain Fritz said you didn't tell him that until after the gun was found and that seems to correspond with your memory too, is that correct?

Mr. Truly.

It sure does, because I remember clearly that Captain Fritz was over at where the gun was found and I'm sure they must have found it or he wouldn't have been standing in that area when we came up there.

Mr. Ball.

Now, if the gun was found after I o'clock, when was it that you discovered that Lee Oswald wasn't there?

Mr. Truly.

I thought it was about 20 minutes after the shooting--the assassination, but it could have been longer.

Mr. Ball.

In other words, you thought originally it might have been 10 minutes of 2 or so that you learned that?

Mr. Truly.

Ten minutes to 1.

Mr. Ball.

Ten minutes to 1?

Mr. Truly.

It was around 1 o'clock--that period of time after I came down from the sixth floor to the first floor was rather hazy in my memory.

Mr. Ball.

You think it might have been after 1 when you first noticed he wasn't there?

Mr. Truly.

I don't think so---I don't feel like at was. It could have possibly been so.

Mr. Ball.

Well, if the gun was not found before 1:10, if it wasn't found before that, can you give me any estimate?

Mr. Truly.

That seems to be a longer time after the assassination.

Mr. Ball.

You didn't wait 20 minutes from the time you learned Lee Oswald's address until the time you told Captain Fritz, did you?

Mr. Truly.

No, sir; I did stand there on the first floor waiting until Chief Lumpkin got through talking for a few minutes.