Mr. Leavelle.

I think all of them had on just shirts and trousers, I believe. I don't think there was any coats involved in any of them.
Mr. BALL. Did any have ties?

Mr. Leavelle.

None had ties or hats on.

Mr. Ball.

Who conducted the showup questioning?

Mr. Leavelle.

I probably asked the questions, yes.

Mr. Ball.

What questions?

Mr. Leavelle.

Normally, I would not have asked names in this case because for fear of her remembering the name, so, or might have heard the name, so, probably asked how old they were, what occupation, anything so they could speak and let me hear the sound of their voice.

Mr. Ball.

Did any of them say they were police officers?

Mr. Leavelle.

No, no; the officers gave some other occupation.

Mr. Ball.

Now, what did Helen Markham say while she was in the showup room?

Mr. Leavelle.

Well, she was very nervous and I do not recall what all she did say, but she was able to identify Oswald as the one.

Mr. Ball.

What did she tell you?

Mr. Leavelle.

She said he was the man that was at the scene she saw do the shooting over there in Oak Cliff.

Mr. Ball.

Did you take a statement from her then?

Mr. Leavelle.

I took one from her but I do not remember whether--just when I took it.

Mr. Ball.

Then what did you do after that showup?

Mr. Leavelle.

Well, I--Mr. Graves and I took Helen back home and after we dropped her off we stopped by this carlot, 501 East Jefferson, and talked with the manager or owner of that and found out that he was the one that had seen the man running. He had heard the shots and seen the man running, from the scene of the shooting and the colored porter there also had heard it, and they had gone to the scene and they said, each of them said, that they thought they might be able to identify the man that they saw running; they heard the shots and they ran outside and saw him running down the sidewalk across the street from the lot with the gun in his hand.

Mr. Ball.

You also talked to Domingo Benavides?

Mr. Leavelle.

yes.

Mr. Ball.

D-o-m-i-n-g-o B-e-n-a-v-i-d-e-s [spelling]. I would think it would be spelled differently.

Mr. Leavelle.

He was supposed to be Mexican descent but that Benavides is actually an Italian name, I believe.

Mr. Ball.

Well, did you talk to him also?

Mr. Leavelle.

I talked with him but I do not believe we ever took an affidavit off him that I recall--may have.

Mr. Ball.

Didn't he tell you that he picked up some empty hulls?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes, he told me he picked them up and gave them to the officer. I remember the officer told me he had gotten the hulls from someone who gave them to him, and when I talked to Domingo, he said he was the one picked them up and give them to the officer.

Mr. Ball.

Did you bring any of these men downtown?

Mr. Leavelle.

No.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ask them----

Mr. Leavelle.

I called later--Ted Callaway--bring the others down; however, I think the Negro porter there, whatever his name is, is the only one he brought.

Mr. Ball.

You say you told him to bring the others down? Who did you tell to bring down?

Mr. Leavelle.

The porter and this Domingo.

Mr. Ball.

But he only brought----

Mr. Leavelle.

Sam Guinyard.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know why Domingo Benavides was never brought down for the showup?

Mr. Leavelle.

I think he said he never saw the man actually. I believe he said later on he did not see the man.