Mr. Ball.

You went back to the police station and took some affidavits from witnesses, didn't you?

Mr. Leavelle.

That's right, I went on to the station at that time and took affidavits from--talked with some of the witnesses that they bad brought in there because at the time I didn't realize there was any connection between Oswald and the shooting of Tippit or the one that they had arrested in the Texas Theatre for the killing of Tippit and the Presidential assassination. I thought it was two different things altogether. So, I proceeded back to the office to work on that end of it, checking with the captain, and they was tied up with the Presidential assassination, and not until we got there did I realize some few minutes later on, when talking to some of the people of the Texas Book Depository, did we realize Oswald could very well be the same one who assassinated the President.

Mr. Ball.

Well, did Captain Fritz instruct you to go out and pick up the witness and come down to a showup, bring her down to a showup?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes; this Helen Markham, the witness, was in such a state of shock she had been unable to view the lineup.

Mr. Ball.

Where did you see her the first time?

Mr. Leavelle.

She was in the emergency room, in the hospital emergency room, first aid room, whatever you call it in the basement of the city hall, and I went over and talked with her and kind of got her calmed down where she thought she could stand to view the lineup, and when she told me that she felt like she was able to stand it, why, I called the captain and told him that we were ready for the showup, at which time some of the other officers brought Oswald down. I took here into the showup room myself and stood with her while she viewed the lineup.

Mr. Ball.

Were you and Helen Markham the only two in what you call the showup room?

Mr. Leavelle.

No, Captain Fritz and Chief Curry was in there also and possibly one or two others; I do not recall.

Mr. Ball.

How about your partner, C. W. Brown?

Mr. Leavelle.

I do not know whether he was there or not.

Mr. Ball.

Any other witnesses?

Mr. Leavelle.

Now Mr. Graves may have been in there.

Mr. Ball.

Were there any other Witnesses in there?

Mr. Leavelle.

No.

Mr. Ball.

Who picked the men for the showup?

Mr. Leavelle.

I do not knew.

Mr. Ball.

Did you?

Mr. Leavelle.

No; I had nothing to do with that.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know who the men were in the showup?

Mr. Leavelle.

That particular showup they had gotten two of the officers, I believe, that work in the vice squad.

Mr. Ball.

I have the names of the people in the showup; No. I was Bill Perry; is he a Dallas Police Department officer?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes.
Mr. BALL, No. 3 R. L. Clark----

Mr. Leavelle.

He is an officer also.

Mr. Ball.

Vice squad?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Don Ables is a Jail clerk?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know who picked these men?

Mr. Leavelle.

No; I do not know who decided that they be in the showup.
Of course, I am sure whoever did was using them, thinking of the security angle of it more than anything else, rather than getting prisoners down there.

Mr. Ball.

Is it unusual to use officers in the showup?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes; we don't normally do it.

Mr. Ball.

You usually have other prisoners in the showup?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes, trustees serving time, or----

Mr. Ball.

What is your memory as to how these men were dressed?