Mr. Ball.

He testified here he saw the man running.

Mr. Leavelle.

But he---either that or he told me he could not recognize him, one or the other.

Mr. Ball.

Did you have a showup with Callaway and Guinyard?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes, I do not recall the time but we did.

Mr. Ball.

Do you want to see your notes here; would that refresh your memory? Here is a report that you made, also. [Papers to witness.]

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes, at 6:30 p.m. would be right.

Mr. Ball.

6:30 p.m.?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Who was in the audience side of the showup this time?

Mr. Leavelle.

As far as I know there wasn't anyone other than Mr. Graves and myself, and I am not too sure he was there. I do not recall.

Mr. Ball.

Your notes say that Brown and Dhority were with you. Is that right?

Mr. Leavelle.

Well, I do not remember; it could have been.

Mr. Ball.

Who was with the witnesses?

Mr. Leavelle.

Who was with the witnesses?

Mr. Ball.

What officer was with the witnesses?

Mr. Leavelle.

Well, we were with them.

Mr. Ball.

Who talked to them?

Mr. Leavelle.

Are you talking about the witnesses or the ones in the lineup?

Mr. Ball.

No; I am talking about the witnesses.

Mr. Leavelle.

Only two witnesses is Callaway and Guinyard and I talked with them.

Mr. Ball.

You talked with them?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Who were the men in the showup this time?

Mr. Leavelle.

I do not remember.

Mr. Ball.

These notes show that Billy Perry was No. 1; R. L. Clark, No. 2; and 4, Don Ables; and No. 2, Oswald.

Mr. Leavelle.

I know they were on two different showups, so it is quite possible.

Mr. Ball.

Who conducted the questions of the men in the showup?

Mr. Leavelle.

I would think I would have been--the same line.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know what Ted Callaway said?

Mr. Leavelle.

Not per se; I know they were able to identify Oswald.

Mr. Ball.

What was the substance of what he said?

Mr. Leavelle.

I do not recall.

Mr. Ball.

You say "identify"; that doesn't mean much to me because I don't know what he identified him as.

Mr. Leavelle.

He said he was the man; he identified him as the man he saw running from the direction where the shots came from over in the Oak Cliff area near his carlot.

Mr. Ball.

What about Sam Guinyard?

Mr. Leavelle.

Same thing, practically.

Mr. Ball.

Did you take statements from them?

Mr. Leavelle.

I believe I took affidavits from them, according to my notes, there while we were waiting for them to come down.

Mr. Ball.

Did you also show them a jacket?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes; I took them to the fourth floor and asked them to look at a jacket which----

Mr. Ball.

I show you Commission Exhibit 162. Does that look anything like the jacket?

Mr. Leavelle.

It looks like the jacket that I showed them; yes.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know what Callaway said when he saw the jacket?

Mr. Leavelle.

He said this was definitely the jacket or one exactly like it.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know what Guinyard said?

Mr. Leavelle.

He said it was also the same type jacket.

Mr. Ball.

Now then, did you do anything else that day on this investigation?

Mr. Leavelle.

I do not recall other than possibly answer the telephone in the office.