Mr. Perry.

Went down to the showup.

Mr. Ball.

Were you handcuffed?

Mr. Perry.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

To whom?

Mr. Perry.

To Oswald.

Mr. Ball.

Which arm, or hand?

Mr. Perry.

My left hand to his right hand.

Mr. Ball.

What place did you have in the showup?

Mr. Perry.

I was No. 1.

Mr. Ball.

And where was Oswald?

Mr. Perry.

Oswald was No. 2, next to me.

Mr. Ball.

Who was handcuffed to Oswald?

Mr. Perry.

Clark was handcuffed.

Mr. Ball.

That was No. 3. Who was 4?

Mr. Perry.

Ables.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ever know him before?

Mr. Perry.

I had seen--had seen him, but I didn't know him personally.

Mr. Ball.

He is a clerk in the jail?

Mr. Perry.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Policeman ask you any questions? Detective ask you any questions?

Mr. Perry.

Yes, sir; my name and what have you.

Mr. Ball.

Well, what do you mean, "what have you."?

Mr. Perry.

Well, occupation.

Mr. Ball.

What else?

Mr. Perry.

I believe he asked me what kind of car I drove if I'm not mistaken.

Mr. Ball.

And what answer did you give him?

Mr. Perry.

I gave him all fictitious answers. I don't recall what they were, but they weren't----

Mr. Ball.

You didn't give him your true name?

Mr. Perry.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Or true address?

Mr. Perry.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Or the car you drove?

Mr. Perry.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Ask you what your occupation was?

Mr. Perry.

Yes, sir; he did, but I don't recall what I said to him.

Mr. Ball.

Did you tell him you were a police officer?

Mr. Perry.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Gave some----

Mr. Perry.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You took part in the second showup, didn't you?

Mr. Perry.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

At 6:30, and who called you for that?

Mr. Perry.

We were down in the office and they simply called us and said they were ready for us again. Wanted us to come back and then we went back up there and----

Mr. Ball.

How were you dressed that time?

Mr. Perry.

Same way.

Mr. Ball.

Same coat?

Mr. Perry.

Same coat.

Mr. Ball.

No tie?

Mr. Perry.

No tie.

Mr. Ball.

Give the same answers and same name, occupation and address?

Mr. Perry.

Best I recall I think they were all fictitious too.

Mr. Ball.

Did you hear any conversation which took place in the audience?

Mr. Perry.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know who the detective was that asked the questions?

Mr. Perry.

Sims, I believe. It was Sims.

Mr. Ball.

Do you think that was Sims? Do you know Sims?

Mr. Perry.

I do. It was Sims; yes, sir.