Mr. Perry.

I was with the vice and special services bureau.

Mr. Ball.

On November 22, 1963, were you on duty in the afternoon?

Mr. Perry.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

In the vice bureau----

Mr. Perry.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Squad room?

Mr. Perry.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did you take part in a showup?

Mr. Perry.

Yes; I did.

Mr. Ball.

What time?

Mr. Perry.

Approximately 4:35 or----

Mr. Ball.

First one?

Mr. Perry.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Did you take part in another showup?

Mr. Perry.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What time?

Mr. Perry.

6:30.

Mr. Ball.

Take part in any other showups?

Mr. Perry.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Had you ever taken part in a showup before?

Mr. Perry.

Not that I recall.

Mr. Ball.

Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Ball.

Back on the record. Had you ever head of officers taking part in showups before in your department?

Mr. Perry.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

But, you hadn't yourself?

Mr. Perry.

I hadn't myself; no, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Had you ever seen a showup in which officers took part?

Mr. Perry.

Physically, down there?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Perry.

Not that I recall, that has been an awful long time ago. I don't recall.

Mr. Ball.

Now, do you use your--use showups in your business, in the vice squad?

Mr. Perry.

I don't think we do; huh-huh, no. Never heard of it done.

Mr. Ball.

You never have? Who talked to you and asked you to take part in the first showup?

Mr. Perry.

Captain Fritz.

Mr. Ball.

Did he talk to you?

Mr. Perry.

No; he talked to somebody else in our bureau.

Mr. Ball.

And they relayed the order to you?

Mr. Perry.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What did you do?

Mr. Perry.

We went on up to--Clark and myself went on up to the third floor of the homicide office.

Mr. Ball.

Was Oswald there?

Mr. Perry.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Who else was there?

Mr. Perry.

Several different people. Captain Fritz, a lot of homicide detectives and Texas Rangers and several other people that I don't know who they were. I gather law enforcement agencies, but it was, the office was----

Mr. Ball.

Anything said there?

Mr. Perry.

I don't recall.

Mr. Ball.

Any conversation with Oswald?

Mr. Perry.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And before you went down to the showup, how did you dress?

Mr. Perry.

I pulled my coat off and took my tie off and unbuttoned my shirt and put another sports coat on.

Mr. Ball.

What color?

Mr. Perry.

I believe it was a brown sports coat.

Mr. Ball.

Then you went down to the showup?