Mr. Sims.

I remembered putting them in my coat pocket.

Mr. Belin.

Now, Detective Sims, just so that I can have a complete understanding of the process by which you refreshed your recollection, you talked to Captain Fritz about this after you testified here on Monday?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

What did he say and what did you say, if you remember?

Mr. Sims.

I told him I couldn't remember for sure about who brought the hulls up there to his office or what happened to the hulls, and then I talked to him.

Mr. Belin.

What did he say?

Mr. Sims.

He said, "Well, remember I told you to get the hulls and bring them to the office."
And I talked to Boyd, my partner, and he said that Captain Fritz had said that, too, so I remembered exactly about where I was when he told me this.

Mr. Belin.

In other words, Captain Fritz told you on Monday, that back on November 22, he had told you to get the hulls? Is that what Captain Fritz told you on this past Monday?

Mr. Sims.

No, not the past Monday. Now this was----

Mr. Belin.

Well, today is Wednesday. Could it have been on Tuesday, or Monday?

Mr. Sims.

I don't know if it was yesterday or Monday.

Mr. Belin.

Was it either late Monday, April 6, or Tuesday, April 7?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

That Captain Fritz told you that back on November 22, he had told you to get the hulls and bring them down?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

And you also discussed this with Detective Boyd either on April 6 or 7?

Mr. Sims.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

You are nodding your head yes?

Mr. Sims.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

All right. Now, after they told you this, what is the fact as to whether you then do or do not independently remember actually putting these shells in an envelope?

Mr. Sims.

I do, yes, sir; I remember putting them in an envelope.

Mr. Belin.

What is the fact as to whether or not you now independently remember putting that envelope in your pocket?

Mr. Sims.

I do, yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Did Captain Fritz tell you that he saw you put them in your pocket?

Mr. Sims.

No; he didn't say anything about the envelope or pocket. I remember he told me to be sure and get the hulls.

Mr. Belin.

What about Boyd, did he say anything about an envelope? Or pocket?

Mr. Sims.

I don't believe he did, no, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember what color envelope it was?

Mr. Sims.

I believe it was a brown, something brown envelope.

Mr. Belin.

You are pointing to a brown manilla envelope on top of the desk here?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember how big an envelope it was?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I don't. We have two different sizes, and I don't remember what size.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember from whom you got the envelope?

Mr. Sims.

Lieutenant Day had it. When he goes to a scene, he has envelopes.

Mr. Belin.

Did Lieutenant Day or anyone else see you put that envelope in your pocket?

Mr. Sims.

I don't know if he saw me put the envelope in my pocket, but he was there when I took possession of the hulls.

Mr. Belin.

He was?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; I am not sure, I don't know if the other crime lab officer was present or not. That would be Studebaker, I believe.